Accepting that John Lennon was a douchebag is much like accepting death (tunes, quote)

rsb1094 · 10-05-2008, 12:31 AM

That article was interesting. I'm not that familiar with the history of the Beatles, so I can not get involved in the debate. However I have noticed "younger" people wearing John Lennon Imagine t-shirts. I have never once seen any Paul t-shirts. I think that has alot to do with him not being dead and extremely mainstream.

Molecules · 10-05-2008, 07:40 AM

yeah there's no arguing with the iconic thing. he one dead muthafudga. and he was the most interesting aswell, at least in the immediately post-/Beatles years. Macca - the housewives' choice©... Although has anybody ever actually sat through the 5863 choruses of 'Give Peace a chance'? if so shame on you

Wifey Boozer · 10-06-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

It's a pretty funny article but I've never met a Lennon fan (an actual Lennon fan, not someone who just runs around going GIVE PEACE A CHANCE) who isn't aware he was a douchebag.

Good point. I am a Lennon fan... I wouldn't use "douchebag", but I'd definitely agree to the fact that he was naive & almost annoyingly indignant. Or thought he was. I love his "solo" (I put it in quotes because right now I'm listening to Well Well Well from the Plastic Ono Band and I dig it) stuff much more than his Beatles stuff (though I'm also a Beatles fan). Some beautiful songs came from naivety (sp?) and dreams, though. I'll be cliche and say Imagine. And War is Over If You Want It is my favorite Christmas song.

joyboyo53 · 10-07-2008, 05:26 PM

seriously people love it when they kick the bucket early. not to say janis joplin wasnt great, but she had what 2 albums? only pearl was even critically acclaimed.

~~Fyrenza~~ · 10-07-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

seriously people love it when they kick the bucket early. not to say janis joplin wasnt great, but she had what 2 albums? only pearl was even critically acclaimed.

i never got the whole Joplin thing either
other than that she died young from drugs, hung around the in crowd, and (errrr) Ahem! sang at/played their venues

though i know i'll get flamed
i'll say it

i thought she sucked

Brad Stengel · 10-07-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrenza

i never got the whole Joplin thing either
other than that she died young from drugs, hung around the in crowd, and (errrr) Ahem! sang at/played their venues

though i know i'll get flamed
i'll say it

i thought she sucked

Nah man, I agree, fuck Janis Joplin. "Peice of my Heart" was the only good thing she ever did, everything else blew.

Id like to make the argument that artists' early deaths are excellent reasons for those who don't understand the hype around them to make excuses of why they are so popular.

Paul McCartney's solo work is fruitless, I hate it all. John Lennon, however, has more than an albums worth of good music. Take:

Instant Karma
Mother
Imagine

For starters. Name one Paul McCartney solo song that's better than those. Plus, without Lennon, I feel like the Beatles would have been somewhat of a cheesy 60's pop band rather than what they are remembered for these days.

That said, I still accept he's a douchebag, I just dig his tunes

Double X · 10-07-2008, 08:09 PM

Mother is often forgotten...but it is really classic. I like it 100 billion times more than give piece a chance.

But yeah, Lennon is a huge douche...but his mom and best friend died, and he had an overall ****ed up childhood cut him a little slack.

Brad Stengel · 10-07-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Double X

Mother is often forgotten...but it is really classic. I like it 100 billion times more than give piece a chance.

But yeah, Lennon is a huge douche...but his mom and best friend died, and he had an overall ****ed up childhood cut him a little slack.

Yeah good point...at least he wasnt a pampered little bitch like Jagger and Richards.

mr. goth glam · 10-08-2008, 10:53 PM

I still like George Harrison more.

FireInCairo · 10-09-2008, 12:29 AM

yeah same ^

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FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	yeah same ^ __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

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rsb1094 Groupie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Western New York Posts: 14	That article was interesting. I'm not that familiar with the history of the Beatles, so I can not get involved in the debate. However I have noticed "younger" people wearing John Lennon Imagine t-shirts. I have never once seen any Paul t-shirts. I think that has alot to do with him not being dead and extremely mainstream.

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joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	seriously people love it when they kick the bucket early. not to say janis joplin wasnt great, but she had what 2 albums? only pearl was even critically acclaimed.

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Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	Mother is often forgotten...but it is really classic. I like it 100 billion times more than give piece a chance. But yeah, Lennon is a huge douche...but his mom and best friend died, and he had an overall ****ed up childhood cut him a little slack.