Accepting that John Lennon was a douchebag is much like accepting death (house, pop)

sleepy jack · 10-04-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Yeah, but John and Paul were douchebags, but John was by far the biggest. At least Paul didn't abandon his son at the age of five and ignored him for the next 12 years. The only reason Paul gets so much more crap is because everyone starts to admire a person as soon as they're murdered. Just look at JFK.

lol. The reason John gets more admired than Paul is because John had a solid solo career and Paul McCartney is doing this: YouTube - Official Ever Present Past Video

Molecules · 10-04-2008, 03:36 PM

Solid solo career? Both were for the most part god-awful (their early 70's output was fine) but John did his ****ty rock n' roll covers album and some other crap i'd like to try and forget; Macca had obscene success at the time with Wings. Wings were ****, but at least Paul made Ram and Band on the Run, which alone is enough to par John's entire output. IMO.

Molecules · 10-04-2008, 03:38 PM

oh and if we're posting ex-beatles' wrist-cuttingly bad MOR bull**** you have not lived until you've seen this debacle: YouTube - Ringo Starr - Liverpool 8 (Official Music Video)

richard starkey, you are a royal prick

lucifer_sam · 10-04-2008, 06:54 PM

i oloed.

But I knew this a LONG time ago. He bitched consistently while he was with the Beatles that he could never get enough creative control. And WHAT did he write about in his solo career? ABOUT BEING IN THE BEATLES AND NOT GETTING ENOUGH CREATIVE FUCKING CONTROL.

sleepy jack · 10-04-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

Solid solo career? Both were for the most part god-awful (their early 70's output was fine) but John did his ****ty rock n' roll covers album and some other crap i'd like to try and forget; Macca had obscene success at the time with Wings. Wings were ****, but at least Paul made Ram and Band on the Run, which alone is enough to par John's entire output. IMO.

Replace solid with more iconic. If Paul had written lines like imagine there's no heaven, give peace a chance and woman is the ****** of the world everyone would probably be idolizing a different Beatle. It really has nothing to do with who got murdered, it attributed to John's icon status sure but it didn't create it. If Paul had been shot he wouldn't be placed on the same pedestal as John because he just didn't have the same career post-beatles.

FireInCairo · 10-04-2008, 10:25 PM

I completely disagree
Violent death mythologises almost any celebrity, and their profiles were probably at a similar height.
and really both those songs are trite rubbish.

lucifer_sam · 10-04-2008, 10:28 PM

Yeah, if John wasn't murdered people would have just talked about "that Lennon prick" and not "that Lennon genius." I still think he was the most interesting member, if not the most creative. Guess I'm a sap too.

~~Fyrenza~~ · 10-04-2008, 11:10 PM

i've had to give up trying to 'know' these bands/artists because it seems like every time they talk about anything
i end up disagreeing with them and/or not really liking them as people

the two biggies that got ruined for me were Isaac Asimov and Grace Slick
but there have been plenty of others

i guess that makes me an anti-fan
someone who DOESN'T want to know every little thing about them

w/e

lucifer_sam · 10-04-2008, 11:14 PM

Isaac Asimov? He made music?

~~Fyrenza~~ · 10-04-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

Isaac Asimov? He made music?

No

but he was one of my heroes for many years

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Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	Solid solo career? Both were for the most part god-awful (their early 70's output was fine) but John did his **ty rock n' roll covers album and some other crap i'd like to try and forget; Macca had obscene success at the time with Wings. Wings were , but at least Paul made Ram and Band on the Run, which alone is enough to par John's entire output. IMO.** __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

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Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	oh and if we're posting ex-beatles' wrist-cuttingly bad MOR bull**** you have not lived until you've seen this debacle: YouTube - Ringo Starr - Liverpool 8 (Official Music Video) richard starkey, you are a royal prick __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

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lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	i oloed. But I knew this a LONG time ago. He bitched consistently while he was with the Beatles that he could never get enough creative control. And WHAT did he write about in his solo career? ABOUT BEING IN THE BEATLES AND NOT GETTING ENOUGH CREATIVE FUCKING CONTROL. __________________ first.am

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FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	I completely disagree Violent death mythologises almost any celebrity, and their profiles were probably at a similar height. and really both those songs are trite rubbish. __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

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lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	Yeah, if John wasn't murdered people would have just talked about "that Lennon prick" and not "that Lennon genius." I still think he was the most interesting member, if not the most creative. Guess I'm a sap too. __________________ first.am

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~~Fyrenza~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: high above the Republic of Texas Posts: 216	i've had to give up trying to 'know' these bands/artists because it seems like every time they talk about anything i end up disagreeing with them and/or not really liking them as people the two biggies that got ruined for me were Isaac Asimov and Grace Slick but there have been plenty of others i guess that makes me an anti-fan someone who DOESN'T want to know every little thing about them w/e

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lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	Isaac Asimov? He made music? __________________ first.am