Selling Out (singer, house, pop, punk, rock)

Brad Stengel · 09-23-2008, 03:27 PM

At any given moment, whenever a band starts to sell more records, switch to a bigger label, play bigger venues, or embrace a poppier sound, there is always whisperings (although, in some cases shouting) of "selling out", a term thrown around far too often if you ask me.

Unless a band actually changes their musical aesthetic in order to become more popular, aka, make more money, it is not "selling out" This means..

Selling T-Shirts at hot topic
Selling music to commercials
Changing style
Being played on MTV/radio

Is not selling out unless the music has been deliberately changed in order to sell more albums. This is impossible to prove since the only people in the world who know whether or not a band truly sold out is the bands themselves, who will never admit it. Hypothetically they could have changed their style to mirror the mainstream because they wanted to move in that direction anyway.

This is why its pretty much impossible to prove a band technically "sold out", and also relatively difficult to argue that a band has, especially since theres always resistance, since the inherent goal of selling out is to gain more fans, fans which will defend the bands new direction.

Kevin Barnes wrote an interesting article on it a while back, in it he mentioned:

"The pseudo-nihilistic punk rockers of the 70's created an impossible code in which no one can actually live by. It's such garbage. The idea that anyone who attempts to do anything commercial is a sell out is completely out of touch with reality. The punk rock manifesto is one of anarchy and intolerance. The punk rockers polluted our minds. They offered a solution that had no future. Of course, if the world would have ended before Sandinista! was released then everything would have been alright. It didn't. Now we have all of these half-conceived ideas and idiot philosophies floating around to confuse and alienate us. I think it is important to face reality. It is important to decide whether you are going to completely rail against the system or find a way to make it work for you. You cannot do both -- and if you attempt to do both you will only become even more bitter and confused"

Later in the essay he defends selling his music to Outback Steakhouse. But my question for musicbanter is: Who can we say with relative certaintity has "sold out" in the true sense of the term?

Akira · 09-23-2008, 03:28 PM

I went to see Bruce Springsteen...it was sold out.

mr dave · 09-23-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel

Who can we say with relative certaintity has "sold out" in the true sense of the term?

chris cornell

Cobe Kai · 09-23-2008, 03:38 PM

My Chemical Romance. Only the drummer hasn't sold himself to any half baked magazine who want to put the band on the cover to sell more magazines.

Fallout Boy. Their older stuff, I wasn't too fond on, but what the **** at this hippidy hop ****!?

Every Pop Singer. Self explained.

Courtney Love. She wouldn't be Courtney Love if she didn't sell out at any given opportunity. Honestly, putting out your album a week after your husband's death!? What the hell. The world's eyes are on her so she decides to put her band's album out then! And then she goes off with that terogladite from Smashing Pumpkins.

Cobe Kai · 09-23-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

chris cornell

We've only had him do a solo album and song for James Bond since he was in Soundgarden... he was way better with Soundgarden lolz.

jackhammer · 09-23-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobe Kai

My Chemical Romance. Only the drummer hasn't sold himself to any half baked magazine who want to put the band on the cover to sell more magazines.

Fallout Boy. Their older stuff, I wasn't too fond on, but what the **** at this hippidy hop ****!?

Every Pop Singer. Self explained.

Courtney Love. She wouldn't be Courtney Love if she didn't sell out at any given opportunity. Honestly, putting out your album a week after your husband's death!? What the hell. The world's eyes are on her so she decides to put her band's album out then! And then she goes off with that terogladite from Smashing Pumpkins.

Every single Pop singer? Not even close.

Cobe Kai · 09-23-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Every single Pop singer? Not even close.

A lot of them. They're basically corporate puppets.

**Janszoon** · 09-23-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobe Kai

Courtney Love. She wouldn't be Courtney Love if she didn't sell out at any given opportunity. Honestly, putting out your album a week after your husband's death!? What the hell. The world's eyes are on her so she decides to put her band's album out then!

I think you're over-estimating how much control she would've had over the release date of the album.

mr dave · 09-23-2008, 03:45 PM

no. cornell is set to release his 3rd solo album soon.

i don't bother with the james bond tune, it's not expected to be great it's expected to fit the movie. anyone would be a fool to turn that down.

audioslave was garbage.

Alfred · 09-23-2008, 03:45 PM

Anti-Flag, the true meaning of selling out.

Signed to a major, became a political version of Good Charlotte, and in doing so completely gave their original anti corporate message the finger. And I don't buy this "we were trying to reach a larger audience" BS.

Whatever, I don't like them at all, not matter what era.

09-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Brad Stengel This Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 815	Selling Out At any given moment, whenever a band starts to sell more records, switch to a bigger label, play bigger venues, or embrace a poppier sound, there is always whisperings (although, in some cases shouting) of "selling out", a term thrown around far too often if you ask me. Unless a band actually changes their musical aesthetic in order to become more popular, aka, make more money, it is not "selling out" This means.. Selling T-Shirts at hot topic Selling music to commercials Changing style Being played on MTV/radio Is not selling out unless the music has been deliberately changed in order to sell more albums. This is impossible to prove since the only people in the world who know whether or not a band truly sold out is the bands themselves, who will never admit it. Hypothetically they could have changed their style to mirror the mainstream because they wanted to move in that direction anyway. This is why its pretty much impossible to prove a band technically "sold out", and also relatively difficult to argue that a band has, especially since theres always resistance, since the inherent goal of selling out is to gain more fans, fans which will defend the bands new direction. Kevin Barnes wrote an interesting article on it a while back, in it he mentioned: "The pseudo-nihilistic punk rockers of the 70's created an impossible code in which no one can actually live by. It's such garbage. The idea that anyone who attempts to do anything commercial is a sell out is completely out of touch with reality. The punk rock manifesto is one of anarchy and intolerance. The punk rockers polluted our minds. They offered a solution that had no future. Of course, if the world would have ended before Sandinista! was released then everything would have been alright. It didn't. Now we have all of these half-conceived ideas and idiot philosophies floating around to confuse and alienate us. I think it is important to face reality. It is important to decide whether you are going to completely rail against the system or find a way to make it work for you. You cannot do both -- and if you attempt to do both you will only become even more bitter and confused" Later in the essay he defends selling his music to Outback Steakhouse. But my question for musicbanter is: Who can we say with relative certaintity has "sold out" in the true sense of the term? __________________ These is the musics I own: http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/BradStengel/oo

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Cobe Kai i is a gud righter. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 248	My Chemical Romance. Only the drummer hasn't sold himself to any half baked magazine who want to put the band on the cover to sell more magazines. Fallout Boy. Their older stuff, I wasn't too fond on, but what the ** at this hippidy hop **!? Every Pop Singer. Self explained. Courtney Love. She wouldn't be Courtney Love if she didn't sell out at any given opportunity. Honestly, putting out your album a week after your husband's death!? What the hell. The world's eyes are on her so she decides to put her band's album out then! And then she goes off with that terogladite from Smashing Pumpkins. __________________ Earth.

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Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	Anti-Flag, the true meaning of selling out. Signed to a major, became a political version of Good Charlotte, and in doing so completely gave their original anti corporate message the finger. And I don't buy this "we were trying to reach a larger audience" BS. Whatever, I don't like them at all, not matter what era. __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM