Hall Of Fame: Induction Thread Number 1 (singer, hip-hop, pop, punk)

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

No, it's not. I said the music wasn't transcendent enough. Every one of those bands clears that qualification.

Elliott Smith's music was enjoyable, but didn't stand out from the music scene. He'd need a much longer career, in my opinion, to overcome that.

Lol, Elliott Smith didn't even sound the same throughout his career and what else sounds like him anyway (that didn't come after him?)

[Gareth Brown]

Led Zeppelin - Nah, never like them.
Joy Division - No, horrifically overrated.

The Beatles - Yes, can't denie influence, blahblahablah
King Crimson - Never heard anyting by them.
Wu-Tang Clan - Yes, 36 Chambers is amazing, their are other hiphop artists i would put in though.
The Velvet Underground - No, not a fan.
Elliott Smith- No, not a fan.

[simplephysics]

Originally Posted by minstrel

I said the music wasn't transcendent enough. Every one of those bands clears that qualification.

Seriously, Elliott touched on many elements, you wouldn't even be able to tell it was the same person going from Heatmiser to Figure 8.

[Minstrel]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Lol, Elliott Smith didn't even sound the same throughout his career and what else sounds like him anyway (that didn't come after him?)

Hmm? I'm not saying he sounded the same as everyone else. I'm saying he didn't stand out from the music scene in quality. I am largely basing my vote on his solo work, because I wasn't a big fan of Heatmiser. In my opinion, they released only one strong album (Mic City Sons).

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Minstrel

Hmm? I'm not saying he sounded the same as everyone else. I'm saying he didn't stand out from the music scene in quality. I am largely basing my vote on his solo work, because I wasn't a big fan of Heatmiser. In my opinion, they released only one strong album (Mic City Sons).

Um okay, I like how you keep saying one thing then turn around and going "No no what I meant was..." what wasn't quality about his music? You should actually explain your opinions plus I don't want to misinterpret them again.

[Minstrel]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Um okay, I like how you keep saying one thing then turn around and going "No no what I meant was..."

I haven't done that once. My original statement was that his music wasn't transcendent enough to make up for a short career. You incorrectly suggested that that same logic should apply to Led Zeppelin, Joy Division and Wu-Tang Clan. I pointed out that the subjective element "transcendent enough" means that the same logic can't apply, since I do view those groups as "transcendent enough."

I should have left it at that but, not realizing you were actually looking for a chance to whine and not for clarification, I clarified WHY I didn't see Smith as "transcendent enough," that he didn't stand out from the musical scene enough.

You decided, again incorrectly, to interpret "stand out from" as "be unique from," when I meant "stand out from" as "be superior than."

I hope this has cleared up the chain of events for you. If you're still angry and upset, I'm sorry. I still don't think Elliott Smith's music was transcendent enough to overcome a relatively short career. I still do think Led Zeppelin's music, Joy Division's music, Wu-Tang Clan's music (and Velvet Underground's music) were transcendent enough to overcome similarly short (or shorter) careers.