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FireInCairo 11-26-2008 08:19 PM

Stop spamming JAMF

PinkWolf 01-07-2009 04:51 AM

Been a GNR fan for years. I must say I love Chinese Democracy and its sound. Axl sounds amazing.
My only gripe is, there're a bit too many slow tunes, other then that, it's perfect.

khfreek 01-07-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 552069)
Chinese failhattery sucked, title track is alright, but fair enough it's better than velvet revolver.

So if I liked Velvet Revolver, I'll like this...?

Comus 01-07-2009 01:00 PM

No, but they're both rubbish.

Mojo 01-07-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 574955)
No, but they're both rubbish.

Not that I thought VR were perfect or anything but they were a lot better than this ****.

PinkWolf 01-08-2009 07:48 AM

I believe CD was 'doomed' from the very begining.
Regardless of the musical quality of the album, the biggest problem was the waiting period ie. how much time took Axl to finish it. And of course, the expectations during this decade or so got higher and higher (especially from the GNR fans) and everyone expected CD to be some kinda of a masterpiece that would compensate for all these years of waiting.

zeppy111 01-15-2009 04:14 AM

chinese democracy(the cd) was quite a let down after being brought up on appetite for destruction blasting through the house 24 hours day. Albeit the title track was a good song in my opinion the rest was sub-par to velvel revolver

Gazz_Evans 02-02-2009 02:00 PM

Anyone who doubts Guns n' Roses Greatness, listen to Coma From Use You Illusion I (non-biastly!!!) , i swear to god your socks will fall off

If not 1- You have problems
2 - Try Live Era 87-93

ninaNirvana 02-03-2009 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gazz_Evans (Post 589363)
Anyone who doubts Guns n' Roses Greatness, listen to Coma From Use You Illusion I (non-biastly!!!) , i swear to god your socks will fall off

If not 1- You have problems
2 - Try Live Era 87-93



I will agree with you on this. GnR WAS great.

However, anyone with a pulse and a set of ears can see that Chinese Democracy is not GnR anymore but something completely different.

Last week, Chi Dem fell another 20 or so spots, selling only 7,000+

Now Appetite for Destruction is outselling Chi Dem on a weekly basis...

I don't think Best Buy is too excited anymore...

what happened Axl??

Please put away your ProTools and send Slash a letter asking him to rejoin the band. That is all I ask as a huge GnR fan

ProgProfessor 02-04-2009 12:24 PM

CD...not bad...but not worth the wait..

dancooke 06-21-2009 11:28 AM

I reccomend g n r lies use your illusion live era spaghetti incident and the dvd s live at the ritz and st louis they are available on amazon

Son of JayJamJah 06-21-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dancooke (Post 687406)
I reccomend g n r lies use your illusion live era spaghetti incident and the dvd s live at the ritz and st louis they are available on amazon

Amazon sells CD's now?

boo boo 06-21-2009 06:41 PM

I really loved the UYI CDs to be honest.

Save some of the awful novelty tracks like My World.

JOEBF85 07-11-2009 08:46 AM

I'm a huge Guns fan. I would say my favorite album is UYI II. I like Chinese Democracy too, but I like experimental stuff and went in with the mindset that it wasn't going to sound like Guns.

crash_override 07-11-2009 08:26 PM

Appetite and GNR Lies are the only ones worth listening to. Or The Story box set if you can get you hands on it.

Electric Gypsy 07-16-2009 10:58 PM

I <3 Civil war too. And My Michelle is a great song. :) And Estranged. I cant think of a single GnR song I don't like.

captured 07-17-2009 02:09 AM

yey...guns n roses..

nope, i can really get behind a guy who's racist and bashes up women and is a homophobe.

TheCunningStunt 07-17-2009 05:31 AM

I haven't actually heard Chinese Democracy yet.

And I don't think I'll be going to.

What made the band good was Slash, without him it's just Axl with his huge ego and piss poor voice.

boo boo 07-17-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 705118)
I haven't actually heard Chinese Democracy yet.

And I don't think I'll be going to.

What made the band good was Slash, without him it's just Axl with his huge ego and piss poor voice.

Stares at signature.

And no. Axl and Izzy wrote the songs, Slash was not the one who made the band, in fact I think he was the least important member of the group

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Originally Posted by captured (Post 705082)
yey...guns n roses..

nope, i can really get behind a guy who's racist and bashes up women and is a homophobe.

Well, then that would exclude just about every great musician ever.

Goodgirl81 07-17-2009 08:01 AM

Its not about judging Axl as a person.. or any other musician.. it's about enjoying the music.

dancooke 07-17-2009 03:36 PM

I reccomend use your illusion 1 and 2 and live era play it loud

captured 07-17-2009 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 705149)
Stares at signature.

And no. Axl and Izzy wrote the songs, Slash was not the one who made the band, in fact I think he was the least important member of the group



Well, then that would exclude just about every great musician ever.

not exactly...:hphones:

half drag 07-17-2009 08:16 PM

Slightly evolved and much over-gloried version of Aerosmith and I'll obviously take Aerosmith over them anyday.
Yes AFD is classic, Lies is good but UYI I&II have as much self-indulgent shwag as anything good on them - and the little outtro jam to Civil War is embarrassing.
Then their career stalled out. They coulda been something if Axl didn't flame out but as is they are little more than a footnote - shortlived glory, yes great sales figures, much overhyped cult following/folk hero status, but really just one decent album.

crash_override 07-18-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 705149)
Stares at signature.

And no. Axl and Izzy wrote the songs, Slash was not the one who made the band, in fact I think he was the least important member of the group.

:yikes: Seriously? Do you remember who Steven Adler is? I didn't think so. Moving on...

TheCunningStunt 07-18-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 705149)
Stares at signature.

And no. Axl and Izzy wrote the songs, Slash was not the one who made the band, in fact I think he was the least important member of the group



Well, then that would exclude just about every great musician ever.

Take that back!

Poor Kurt.

And at least Kurt could play guitar, he wasn't just the voice.

But yeah, I do actually quite like GNR, Apetite For Destruction will always be a work of art, but I was always under the illusion Slash made the licks and riffs up? and I just figured without that, you're left with Axl.

What's CD actually like? is it even worth me downloading it to give it a listen?

Antonio 07-18-2009 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 705735)
Take that back!

Poor Kurt.

And at least Kurt could play guitar, he wasn't just the voice.

But yeah, I do actually quite like GNR, Apetite For Destruction will always be a work of art, but I was always under the illusion Slash made the licks and riffs up? and I just figured without that, you're left with Axl.

What's CD actually like? is it even worth me downloading it to give it a listen?

it's worth a download, not really a purchase though. i mean it's not good for the amount of time it took, but not terrible either. a good listen, imo, but don't expect the same GNR.

boo boo 07-18-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 705689)
:yikes: Seriously? Do you remember who Steven Adler is? I didn't think so. Moving on...

Well ok, not less important than the drummers or Duff. But Axl and Izzy were the primary songwriters in the band, though Slash and Duff contributed a lot too.

Still it wasn't Slash that made the band, the whole band deserves credit because it was very often a group effort.

Antonio 07-18-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 705821)
Well ok, not less important than the drummers or Duff. But Axl and Izzy were the primary songwriters in the band, though Slash and Duff contributed a lot too.

Still it wasn't Slash that made the band, the whole band deserves credit because it was very often a group effort.

definately, except MAYBE Steve Adler.


but yeah, that's just me :D

axlrose4eva 08-30-2009 12:06 AM

The Official Guns N' Roses Thread,
 
Forgive me if there is already one, I used the search feature and did not find one. Im curious to know what your thoughts are on the band. The 1987 line up, the 1990's lineup and the Chinese Democracy line-up (to many musicians to mention) In all honesty I love Guns N' Roses. I've been a fan of their music since I was 5 yrs old. The Chinese Democracy album has some great music on there and I was not let down. The new band is full of greatly talented musicians. Axl Rose, Robin Finck, Buckethead,and all the other musicians all brought that rawness and tough attitude back into the world of rock music with that album. Its a shame there are not a lot of new bands out there that have as much attitude as there is on Chinese Democracy. Thoughts?

Antonio 08-30-2009 12:46 AM

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...ght=guns+roses

que?

Unknown Soldier 09-02-2009 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 705118)
I haven't actually heard Chinese Democracy yet.

And I don't think I'll be going to.

What made the band good was Slash, without him it's just Axl with his huge ego and piss poor voice.

I`ve not heard it either but certainly looking forward to getting around and listening to it.

I`m a big fan of Slash as well but mostly for his guitar playing and visual aspect, rather than his songwriting ability. I think the contribution of Izzy Stradlin, to probably be one the vital ingrediants of the group considering that Axl Rose wrote 75% of their stuff.

Agree about his piss poor voice at times but for many people his scratchy voice seems to be the big appeal.

Unknown Soldier 09-02-2009 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dancooke (Post 705432)
I reccomend use your illusion 1 and 2 and live era play it loud

I think Use Your Illusion 1 to be the best thing they ever did. Appetite for destruction was impressive but it was more about attitude and impact rather than great songwriting. Whereas Use Your Illusion 1 displays a far more mature attitude by the group and certainly displays a far denser sound incorportaing different types of music as well, only low point is the dreadful cover of "Live and let die".

Use Your Illusion II is like Metallica`s ReLoad and seems to be just the songs that weren`t good enough to get on Use your illusion I, or in Metallica`s case on Load.

sidewinder 09-02-2009 02:18 PM

It's funny to see this thread in he "Rock N Roll, Classic Rock & 60s Rock" forum. Is this where all rock bands will go to die?

Unknown Soldier 09-02-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 728522)
It's funny to see this thread in he "Rock N Roll, Classic Rock & 60s Rock" forum. Is this where all rock bands will go to die?

Well Guns N Roses are almost dead, 6 albums in 22 years!!! And some of these 6 albums are not even proper albums either, they`re as bad as Boston for releasing stuff.

dancooke 09-02-2009 02:59 PM

best guns n roses albums are appetite for destruction use your illusion 1 and live album live era

Bucket Foot 09-02-2009 07:05 PM

Well I can thank Guns N' Roses for me being such a music appreciater (spelling?) and for music having such an influence on my life. I found there GREATEST HITS thanks to a friend and finally heard some GNR other than "Welcome To The Jungle", "Paradise City" and "Sweet Child O Mine" (all very good songs). I fell in love instantly, especially with songs like "Patience", "You Could Be Mine", "November Rain" and most of all "Don't Cry".

I am a die-hard, and am proud to say. I love every single album and every single era they have gone through (with the exception of SPAGHETTI INCIDENT). There songs have really gotten through to me more than any others and I look at GNR as the greatest rock band to ever live. It really is too bad about all thats happened.

I am a huge fan of BOTH Axl Rose, and of course, Slash.

I do like the new Guns. Something that may not be the case for many Original GNR Fans and such. But I do like the new Guns and the band that Axl has put together. CHINESE DEMOCRACY was something I followed and looked forward to for years and I have a hard time NOT classifying it as my favorite album of all time as I have never got to see the release of a GNR album until now. The music is suberb. I always have loved Axl's soft side when it comes to music and CHIDEM captures the best of it. Its non-stop, top notch music and I love it.

Sometimes, yes, the bull**** is dissapointing and frustrating. Like (1) Why did CHIDEM take so long. (2) Where are you right now and why hasn't there been any interviews/ tours/ performances/ publicity? (3) What happened exactly with the original GNR? But, I can't let it get in the way of the music. Its just too good.

I got to see my hero in concert in November 2006 with Guns N' Roses in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada and loved it. A dream come true.

Bucket Foot 09-06-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd (Post 730032)
and Izzy is such a great songwriter. They went perfectly together.

He really is.

SaphiaGlam 10-22-2009 01:13 PM

I freakin' love Guns N' Roses. My bandmate, a heavy metal dude (rocks out to the Metallica and the like) had the nerve to label them one of the most boring bands ever.
****'s sake! As well as having an awesome look and being great people generally, the music is INSANE. Sweet Child O' Mine never fails to send shivers down my spine. November Rain? Pure awesomeness. Although I have to say, the first ever song I heard Axl sing was We Will Rock You at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert, and I was shocked at this skinny, ginger, paler than pale guy screeching down the mike and ruining one of Queen's greatest songs. A few years later, I'm completely reversed, I love Axl's voice, and the music is fantastic.
So what, they've been through some ****, and maybe a bunch of their songs are covers, but who DOESN'T cover other people's stuff? It's only a mark of respect and love for the other bands songs!
I love them and always will =]

Mojo 10-22-2009 01:54 PM

I don't mind that GnR did a few covers, but LOTS of bands don't cover other peoples songs!

TheBig3 10-22-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk (Post 756464)
I don't mind that GnR did a few covers, but LOTS of bands don't cover other peoples songs!

and many of them should.


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