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tdoc210 06-28-2006 08:36 PM

speaking of jackets..i want a psychedelic one....oh and axl rose shouldn t bee such a goof

Piss Me Off 06-29-2006 02:12 AM

Ginger dreadlocks make me vomit. :)

boo boo 06-29-2006 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
http://harpmagazine.com/img/news/20060626_axlrose.jpeg

I`m assuming it was the fashion police

Some kind of Ray Charles/Carrot Top/Jonathan Davis hybrid.

one_more_atrocity 06-29-2006 05:37 AM

couldnt really care, he should have given up ages ago. the stupid, dumb, fat... errmm ghey.

holdyoualways 06-29-2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba
http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment/0...970523,00.html

:laughing:

Might not hear from Guns N Roses for a few months now.

yeah i heard about that
& wasnt surprised
& didnt really care

camble 07-01-2006 01:35 AM

As the ole saying goes, 'bad publicity is good publicity.'

The Rhiad 08-10-2006 06:59 AM

Guns N' Roses Are Back!!
 
Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy

Almost 10 years in the making, the Guns N' Roses album, 'Chinese Democracy' , is the most expensive, unreleased album, ever. Starting in 1997, when bassist Duff McKagen, the last 'original' (although he wasn't in the band when it first formed), member of Guns N' Roses, (bar Axl Rose, the vocalist and co-founder of the band), Axl and a new lineup, minus Dizzy Reed (keyboardist), went into the studio to work on a new Guns N' Roses album. For two years, nothing appeared from long sessions which usually ran from late at night to early in the morning. Rumors swirrled into epic purportions, with rumors that Axl had gone crazy, fat, and bald, (because he hadn't been seen publicly since 1994), that the new Guns N' Roses album would be techno influenced, and that no progress was being made.

However, in late 1999, Guns N' Roses displayed their first original song in 8 years, the industrial flavored 'Oh My God', which appeared on the 'End Of Days' soundtrack. NME, who are usually negative about GnR were actually postive this time: "The GNR track is brilliant - a slash and burn metal track in parts - and if their new album is as good as this then rock n' roll will be saved. The rest? Well, it's all Korn and Limp Bizkit and **** that sounds like them. 8 for Axl, 5 for the rest." Many longtime fans, however, disliked the track due to it's heavier sound. Also, Axl gives his first interview since 1994 to MTV's Kurt Loder, and tells him that he hopes the new GnR album, (which was now called Chinese Democracy for the first time publicly), will be out in 2000.

Sadly though, the GnR album did not come out in 2000, like Axl had hoped. Although in late 2000, Big FD, who were GnR's management tells MTV that GnR will play some concerts in 2001, as well as release Chinese Democracy in June 2001. The new Guns N' Roses lineup does perform for the first time, but Chinese Democracy does not come out in June, and most of the tourdates are cancelled, because of an illness with guitarist, Buckethead.

Guns N' Roses try to stage another comeback in 2002, in which they play some festivals throughout Asia and Europe, and then make a surprise performance to close the 2002 MTV VMA's. Although when the band schedules a North American tour, starting in Vancouver, Axl arrives too late and the venue staff pulls the plug on the show, in which a riot begins. Despite this, Guns N' Roses play around 20 more shows, until December 6, 2002, where Axl again fails to show up, this time in Philadelphia, and another riot begins. Soon after, Clear Channel, the tour's promoter, pulls the plug on the rest of the tour.

In late 2003, a new Guns N' Roses track called 'IRS' is played on Eddie Trunks' radio show. (And was brought to him by guest host, Mike Piazza) Soon after, GnR management make Eddie give them the tape.

On April 9, 2005, IRS finally leaks onto Guns N' Roses message boards, but in horrible quality. It was also leaked in 4 differen't parts, and this leak is missing the intro.

In February 2006, 4 Guns N' Roses tracks leak onto the internet. They are: 'IRS' (in studio quality), 'Better' (A song that was first mentioned the month before by Axl), ' There Was A Time' (Or TWAT) and Catcher in the Rye. PM me if you want any of the songs. Also in this month, GnR announces their first tour dates since 2002.

So as you can see, a lot of things have happened in the GnR world. Mostly, empty promises filled with evacuated tours, but things are about to change.

After completing their first full tour since 1993, Guns N' Roses 'Chinese Democracy' looks more forward to a release date than ever. After successfully selling out tour dates in Europe, and a US tour starting in late September, Chinese Democracy will most likely be released in September.

With me today, I bring two things. First, the Regular link contains the best quality recordings from the Chinese Democracy album. (Although 'Silkworms' will not be on it) They include live recordings, and studio demos. (As well as 'Oh My God' from 1999)

The Extra link contains instrumental versions to the leaked tracks (except Catcher in the Rye), as well as 2006 live recordings and another unreleased song, which is debated to even be real, called 'Checkmate'. Finally, a version of Rod Stewarts' Sailing is included in here from a concert on July 29.

PM Me If You Want These Links!!

So with Guns N' Roses 'Chinese Democracy' most likely being released in November, you should pick it up, especially if you liked the old band, although now they have a modern touch.

MURDER JUNKIE 08-10-2006 10:24 AM

sounds like suck

Raine 08-10-2006 10:47 AM

Guns And Roses should remain out of the music scene.

Axl gives the band a bad imagie

Mama Booze 08-10-2006 10:52 AM

No such thing as bad publicity ;) HAHA..ahyeah.

Anywho, EH. I like...no I pretty much love OLD, CLASSIC Guns 'n' Roses, and Axl makes me laugh (he was recently arrested for trashing a hotel room haha.). But I hate it when they try and come back, the time has passed, the mood gone. Be remembered with whatever dignity ya had, fa Gawd's sakes.

swim 08-10-2006 10:53 AM

Ew. Make it stop.

Levithan 08-10-2006 12:02 PM

Guns N' Roses are not back...Axl is now fronting a Guns N' Roses tribue band...

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-10-2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rhiad

So with Guns N' Roses 'Chinese Democracy' most likely being released in November .....

2015

Raine 08-10-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Levithian
Guns N' Roses are not back...Axl is now fronting a Guns N' Roses tribue band...

That's just as bad.

Axl was a crap musician that was probably in it just for the sex, drugs and cash. Although I doubt he's getting any from anybody. Last time i saw a pic of him he looked really . . . unattractive.

Levithan 08-10-2006 12:06 PM

Braids on paisty ginger white guys is not a good look

Raine 08-10-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Levithian
Braids on paisty ginger white guys is not a good look

that and his face is starting to sag

Levithan 08-10-2006 12:10 PM

^ Its been doing that since the early 90's...

Raine 08-10-2006 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Levithian
^ Its been doing that since the early 90's...

and it gets more gross everytime we see it.

he looks like he's in his fifties

The Rhiad 08-10-2006 01:14 PM

I say they are better then ever and hes in his top form hes showed up for every show and screw the other members they dont matter I never liked the other Slash is good but what we have now is better. Matt Sorum looks like a child rapist, and Duff hes so messed now its not funny. I say this era is the new UYI and will be one of the greatest if given the chance once a gunner always a gunner

Raine 08-10-2006 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rhiad
I say they are better then ever and hes in his top form hes showed up for every show and screw the other members they dont matter I never liked the other Slash is good but what we have now is better. Matt Sorum looks like a child rapist, and Duff hes so messed now its not funny. I say this era is the new UYI and will be one of the greatest if given the chance once a gunner always a gunner

Once you suck you always suck. :)

Guns and Roses had one fairly good song and that was Going to The Jungle. And even that got to be old and tired out. Same as all the members of the band

The Rhiad 08-10-2006 01:34 PM

well you must not know anything about GNR since if tou did the song is Welcome to the Jungle

Raine 08-10-2006 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rhiad
well you must not know anything about GNR since if tou did the song is Welcome to the Jungle

and to prove my point the song wasn't good enough for me to remember the name of the song

tdoc210 08-10-2006 02:05 PM

i like them in small doese...but a new album..errr, no.

Crazyman21 08-10-2006 02:13 PM

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he looks like he's in his fifties
Wow! Really?! Isn't that what happens to people who are almost 50?!

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and to prove my point the song wasn't good enough for me to remember the name of the song
Awww, isn't that sad? Someone doesn't remember the name to a song. Well, maybe Guns N' Roses should just quit while they're ahead, I mean selling close to 100 million records in only 6 years of being active isn't good enough...

Stone Magnet 08-10-2006 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyman21
Wow! Really?! Isn't that what happens to people who are almost 50?!

No, it happens to people who are in their fifties.

Raine 08-10-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyman21
Awww, isn't that sad? Someone doesn't remember the name to a song. Well, maybe Guns N' Roses should just quit while they're ahead, I mean selling close to 100 million records in only 6 years of being active isn't good enough...

who bought those 100 million records may I ask?

Crazyman21 08-10-2006 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Magnet
No, it happens to people who are in their fifties.

Not for everyone. Lots of celebrities and musicians look way older than they are. (Hell Britney Spears looks like she's 50..and she's only in 20's...)

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who bought those 100 million records may I ask?
38.5 million sales in America. 61.5ish million (maybe not quite 100 million, yet) elsewhere.

Also, GnR has stayed in the Billboard Top 200 for the past 124 weeks, and their Greatest Hits album, (which members of the band were against; as well as many fans), is right now at #64, more than two years after it came out, with 3 million copies sold in the US alone.

Raine 08-10-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyman21
Not for everyone. Lots of celebrities and musicians look way older than they are. (Hell Britney Spears looks like she's 50..and she's only in 20's...)

38.5 million sales in America. 61.5ish million (maybe not quite 100 million, yet) elsewhere.

Also, GnR has stayed in the Billboard Top 200 for the past 124 weeks, and their Greatest Hits album, (which members of the band were against; as well as many fans), is right now at #64, more than two years after it came out, with 3 million copies sold in the US alone.

3 million records in the us and how many elsewhere in regards to their greatest hits album.

And as you clearly pointed out, they haven;t even sold 100 million records and the fact is they probably might come close but never will.

And my pinion remains the same: guns and roses should not be making mroe music. Axl should check himself into rehab and we should all forget this ever happened.

Merkaba 08-10-2006 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine
Once you suck you always suck. :)

Guns and Roses had one fairly good song and that was Going to The Jungle. And even that got to be old and tired out. Same as all the members of the band

You've had like every second post in this thread and you don't even know the name of one of their most famous songs.

And the other members were sick of Axl, they didn't tire out. They went on to make Velvet Revolver, unfortunately fronted by Weiland but never the less they still produced above average music, as far as the music went.

Stay off the big dumb GNR bashing bandwagon until you have a clue. Thank you.

The Rhiad 08-10-2006 04:08 PM

and you havent heard the songs and i cant post them cause of the minimum posts allowed so dont dis the new guys til then

Crazyman21 08-10-2006 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Raine
3 million records in the us and how many elsewhere in regards to their greatest hits album.

It could be anywhere from 3-7 mil outside the US. It debuted at #1 in a bunch of other countries, (including the UK, and it debuted at #3 in the US). Also, it was expected to sell around 10 million copies by this year...or maybe last year, I can't remember.

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And as you clearly pointed out, they haven;t even sold 100 million records and the fact is they probably might come close but never will.
Umm, they never will? Chinese Democracy will probaly sell 5-12 million copies worldwide, if they promote it...at all. VR's debut album, Contraband, sold around 3 million copies in the US, which is pretty good because not that many people really know about them. So, because Axl is still using the Guns N' Roses name, it could sell twice as much as Contraband.

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And my pinion remains the same: guns and roses should not be making mroe music. Axl should check himself into rehab and we should all forget this ever happened
Ok, and that's fine if you don't like them. Nothing I can do about that, but for people who actually like the band, and don't think Axl has to check himself into rehab...for some weird reason..., let us enjoy them.

TheBig3 08-10-2006 08:36 PM

I wish I could find the thread over a year ago when I wrote "when GnR finally relsease CD, everyones going to pan it before hearing it because they want to appear intelligent."

I don't care if I don't find it, you all eat your humble pie right now.

mosesandtherubberducky 08-10-2006 08:37 PM

Axl only has the GnR name because of a legal loop-hole, he's a washed up 80s star that should just fade out of what ever portion of the lime light he is in right now. Nobody really cares about Axl they care about the GnR that recorded Apitite for Destruction (spelling?). And besides what is the point to Chinese Democracy? It is a money sink and will probably never be released.

ZeppelinAir 08-10-2006 11:59 PM

Axl WAS a good front man, for the first four albums, then they sucked, i will probly end up getting the new album just to have it.

who knows maybe it somhow be a great album, but chances are it wont

Ace 08-11-2006 12:26 AM

If it isn't a great album....I'll beat the **** out of Axl =|. I mean seriously....he was going to release it 10 years ago, and it's been in the making for 12 atleast =)). I seriously doubt it will ever get released. Axl could be considered one of the best frontmen ever, but GNR is nothing without Slash. He should just leave GNR alone, and start anew somewhere. Or forever hold his peace.

Crazyman21 08-11-2006 12:32 AM

megaupload.com/?d=WFE9M2OV

That's the song 'Better'

Ace 08-11-2006 12:33 AM

To add a little more.....GNR is still one of the best bands. Ever.
Axl should seriously drop it though, and let the band have it's place in history.
No need in potentially giving a bad name to one of the best Thrash Metal bands of all time.

Merkaba 08-11-2006 12:44 AM

Slayer is thrash metal. GnR is really just metal/hard rock.

But your right, it is sad that Axl wants to continue to use the GnR name.

draven 09-06-2006 12:18 AM

Axl Rose, the man, the myth, the legend. Is 2006 finally his year?
 
Axl Rose, the man, the myth, the legend. Is 2006 finally his year?


Like him or not, Axl Rose is one interesting person and most often he is misunderstood. Some people like to think of Axl as an A hole, but that is just because Axl likes to keep to himself and likes his privacy. Axl does not crave attention or look to make headlines, he gets that with out even trying and sometimes I think that embarrasses him. Just him going out for a steak dinner makes headlines, not many other people in music get that, but Axl does.

A lot of Gn’r fans get upset at Axl because still not given us a release date, but he has said a few times (mtv vmas being the most recent) that Chinese Democracy will be released this year some time in the fall. November looks to be the target date since Richard Fortus has told fans the album will be release after the US tour has started (which officially starts mid October. That is something Gn’r did with the Illusions. This album will make or break his career since it is his first album with out the old band. Axl needs to release the best “in your face rocker” on the album as the first single. If the first single is huge then the album will have no problem selling and being huge.

A lot of old Gn’r fans like to think the new songs we have heard so far are not as good as the old bands songs, but that is not the important question. The important question is, are the new songs as good or better than the current mainstream songs on the radio today? Judging from what is currently on the radio and judging from what was on the Mtv VMA’s the answer to that is YES. I think Madagascar, IRS, the Blues and Chinese Democracy, There Was A Time, Catcher in the Rye and Better are just as good if not better than a lot of the music on the radio right now, and those songs are not even the “big guns” that Axl has in store for us. Better is a style we have never heard before by gn’r and could be a huge hit once we get the studio version.

The four demos we have heard are very different and very good. Better mixes pop with metal, while IRS is a mix of old gnr and industrial music. There Was A Time is very November Rainish and Catcher in the Rye (which features Brian May on lead guitar) is a lot like something from the UYI’s and has a Beatles feel to it. IRS actually charted for radio spins, which is a first for a leaked demo. It also got the most votes for one stations cage match in the history of that station. What is so great about the demos is most people have a different favorite which just shows how diverse this album is going to be and is going to appeal to a wide verity of people. This album will have something for everyone, from the old school fans, to new fans.

For those who think Axl cannot sing any more just needs to listen to these demos, he has never sounded better. If anyone has heard him live from the Hammerstein shows, RIR or the Euro tour know that his vintage raspy voice is also back. His voice has been getting better and better with each show.

He has a set of amazing and underrated players backing him up and they have all worked very hard on this album. The few people that have heard the album have all said how great or amazing the songs are, so if CD is promoted the way it should be it could be the best album of 2006. Axl and his new Gn’r could be on top of the music world again. Just looks at the VMAs this past year. The killers headlined, if gn’r played this year they easily would have been the closing act.

Chinese Democracy is going to be like nothing we have heard before from Guns n’ Roses. Tommy calls the new songs “earth shattering” and Dizzy has said the songs will exceed our expectations. Those statements make me wonder how amazing this album could very well be. Brian May and Tommy have both talked about how outrageous/amazing Axl's voice is on the album. Tommy also alluded that the rockers on CD will be like old gnr, while Zakk Wylde said the songs he heard from CD sounded like AFD on steroids. Axl’s lyrics are said to have deeper meaning than on past albums, we have gotten a taste of that with some of the demo leaks.

Chinese Democracy is going to showcase the new bands diversity and could still be talked about years from now much like AFD is still proclaimed as being just as fresh today as it was 15 years ago. CD is said to be a melting pot album by Axl and I think we will be able to tell what each members input was to each song. I think each song will have each member’s trademark, something they can all be proud of. I am not saying this album will be the best album ever, but I believe it’s going to something that will inspire discussion for years to come. and not only will it serve to cement Axl's legendary status as the ultimate rock star, it will preserve the dignity of the guns n roses name in the annals of rock history


Axl has had a few false starts over the past 6 years, but it is now time for Axl to take his throne back as the best front man in rock, others have tried but none have even come close to having Axl stage presence or aura. Axl holds his destiny and legacy in his hands. He can either be the huge star he used to be or he can just disappear again. Either way Axl Rose will always be one of music great mysteries. He had it all in the late 80s and early 90s and he can have it all again if he wants it, he just has to release the album and everything will fall into place. Rock has been missing something for quite some time and that something is Axl Rose.

_Spinning_ 09-06-2006 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by draven
the best front man in rock

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

But seriously...I look forward to hearing it...I don't think it will be all that different to other G.N.R tracks, but that remains to be seen.

Happy Birthday to the true "Best Frontman In Rock" - Freddie Mercury. 60 Today. R.I.P :)


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