Goodest Rock Artists: This is not a Joke (punk, beatles)

Gossling · 08-08-2008, 04:15 AM

As the topic states: this is not a joke! The apparent lack of knowledge of the English language is actually born out of a semantical conflict between the connotations of the words "great" and "good".

The word "great" often carries several connotations: influence, success, innovation, importance...so the words "quality" and "complexity" are often shelved in the lists of greatest rock bands.

The word "good" lacks these connotations, so quality and complexity are usually more important in deciding a thing's "goodness." The problem is that the denotation (proper definition) of the word prevents it from standing up against the word "great" which is so diluted by its many connotations.

If you were able to follow me thus far, feel free to post. If not, I don't want you writing on this thread.

Great Artists (subjective, off the top of my head...please don't bash it):
- The Beatles
- Bob Dylan
- Led Zeppelin
- The Who
- Pink Floyd
- The Clash

This isn't what I mean. I'm talking quality! One of the "goodest" artists I know is Billy Joel. I don't want people complaining that "he wasn't really a rock artist" or anything, because that's not the point. The point is that he was able to consistently write diverse music of high quality. Yes, quality is terribly subjective, but there is something to be said for complexity (chord progressions, structure, instrumentation) that works, and that carries plenty of emotional content. He didn't change the face of rock forever. He didn't invent punk rock. But, once again, that's not the bloody point.

I want to hear about some more, preferably those who have traditionally been left of the lists of the "greatest rock artists."

Because greatness is so overrated.

Thanks everyone.

jackhammer · 08-08-2008, 04:32 AM

If you were able to follow me thus far, feel free to post. If not, I don't want you writing on this thread.

A little pompous considering it's your first post.

Piss Me Off · 08-08-2008, 05:31 AM

In translation this thread is basically 'who are your favourite bands who aren't seen as the great innovators of modern music'.
Hmm.

simplephysics · 08-08-2008, 07:56 AM

Was the grammar lesson really necessary?

**Janszoon** · 08-08-2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

In translation this thread is basically 'who are your favourite bands who aren't seen as the great innovators of modern music'.
Hmm.

Heh. Bingo!

Well, heck, I'll try to be the first the thread to attempt an answer to the OP:

The Church
Alien Sex Fiend
My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult
Pigface
Rocket From the Crypt
Secret Chiefs 3
The Microphones
Cornelius
Los Fabulosos Cadillacs
Mr. Lif
Cafe Tacuba
Latin Playboys

So a lot of these bands are somewhat influential in certain musical circles, but I don't think any of them are widely known for their impact on modern music. And, IMHO, they're all amazing.

lucifer_sam · 08-08-2008, 11:25 AM

This is the dumbest fucking thread ever. My linguistics-majoring friend from Cornell isn't this arrogant.

And just so you know, Billy Joel was inducted into several Halls of Fame, including the rock n' roll hall of fame. Sounds like someone thinks he's great. Or maybe my tiny brain can't wrap around how "goodest" he is, whatever the fuck that means.

**Janszoon** · 08-08-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

And just so you know, Billy Joel was inducted into several Halls of Fame, including the rock n' roll hall of fame. Sounds like someone thinks he's great. Or maybe my tiny brain can't wrap around how "goodest" he is, whatever the fuck that means.

Also, he kind of sucks. But that's just one man's opinion.

pheurton · 08-08-2008, 01:18 PM

Is goodest a word?

jackhammer · 08-08-2008, 01:26 PM

The OP seems to think so. Worst thread outside of the Lounge.

simplephysics · 08-08-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer

The OP seems to think so. Worst thread outside of the Lounge.

Makes me think there should be a Hall Of Shame.

08-08-2008, 04:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gossling Groupie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1	Goodest Rock Artists: This is not a Joke As the topic states: this is not a joke! The apparent lack of knowledge of the English language is actually born out of a semantical conflict between the connotations of the words "great" and "good". The word "great" often carries several connotations: influence, success, innovation, importance...so the words "quality" and "complexity" are often shelved in the lists of greatest rock bands. The word "good" lacks these connotations, so quality and complexity are usually more important in deciding a thing's "goodness." The problem is that the denotation (proper definition) of the word prevents it from standing up against the word "great" which is so diluted by its many connotations. If you were able to follow me thus far, feel free to post. If not, I don't want you writing on this thread. Great Artists (subjective, off the top of my head...please don't bash it): - The Beatles - Bob Dylan - Led Zeppelin - The Who - Pink Floyd - The Clash This isn't what I mean. I'm talking quality! One of the "goodest" artists I know is Billy Joel. I don't want people complaining that "he wasn't really a rock artist" or anything, because that's not the point. The point is that he was able to consistently write diverse music of high quality. Yes, quality is terribly subjective, but there is something to be said for complexity (chord progressions, structure, instrumentation) that works, and that carries plenty of emotional content. He didn't change the face of rock forever. He didn't invent punk rock. But, once again, that's not the bloody point. I want to hear about some more, preferably those who have traditionally been left of the lists of the "greatest rock artists." Because greatness is so overrated. Thanks everyone.

08-08-2008, 04:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	If you were able to follow me thus far, feel free to post. If not, I don't want you writing on this thread. A little pompous considering it's your first post. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-08-2008, 05:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	In translation this thread is basically 'who are your favourite bands who aren't seen as the great innovators of modern music'. Hmm. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

08-08-2008, 11:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	This is the dumbest fucking thread ever. My linguistics-majoring friend from Cornell isn't this arrogant. And just so you know, Billy Joel was inducted into several Halls of Fame, including the rock n' roll hall of fame. Sounds like someone thinks he's great. Or maybe my tiny brain can't wrap around how "goodest" he is, whatever the fuck that means. __________________ first.am

08-08-2008, 01:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	The OP seems to think so. Worst thread outside of the Lounge. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-08-2008, 01:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
pheurton n/a Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 990	Is goodest a word?