WolfAtTheDoor

this has something that has angered me quite a bit. Jay-Z recently headlined Glastonbury, something which according to the media upset quite a few people. 'Hip Hop does not belong in Glastonbury' Noel Gallagher said. Rather ignorant of him to say, yes. But is that REALLY racist? Several articles I read about the matter of Jay-Z headlining Glasto seemed to all have the same underlying theme - that the people who were against it, MUST be racist.


Before that, Lethal Bizzle was bottled at Download festival. Yet again, the media pushed it as a racist attack. Lethal Bizzle came out with a statement afterwards, saying that he respected the crowds attitudes and obviously many of them were hardcore metallers who would not appreciate a Rap act coming on stage. He then said that he understands, because if a metal band turned up to a grime rave, things could have been even worse for them. Which is a completely true and respectable statement.

It just angers me, because I do not believe that in these times racism is relevant in music at all. In fact, the media pushing these incidents as racist attacks is simply instigating bitterness between races. I highly doubt that the bottling of Lethal Bizzle was a collective racist assault. It was merely a bunch of metallers who took pride in their genre, and did not want to see some rapper up on stage. Panic At The Disco were bottled at Reading, was that racist? No it wasn't. It was because the crowd thought they were ****.

Music is not something where racism belongs. It isn't like football matches, where a bunch of lunk-headed neanderthals use skin colour to insult the opposing teams players. In music, everyone is in the same team, regardless of race.

sleepy jack

Tell that to Lydon.

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WolfAtTheDoor

ah... true point. But he's just one deluded and old fashioned fella from the skinhead era isn't he. Plus, it hasn't been proved that he said it... no one else heard it. It's Keke Okereke's word against his. And Keke Okereke's a **** anyway.

pheurton

It is relevant, without the slave trade we wouldn't have the blues.

You might want to look up where the skinheads got their influences from.

Alfred

No, not the least bit.

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sleepy jack

I don't really think he was talking about neo-nazism/white power/etc and **** when he posted this. Because you get that in movies, literature, etc and it's kind of it's own deal. Skrewdriver broke up like ten years ago anyway, so they're not relevant today. Besides if you're going to go there why not bring Bad Brains into this too? They were hardly a group of open-minded and loving individuals.

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Alfred

I wasn't being serious, really, I just figured this would be a good thread to post that in.

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lucifer_sam

Ever heard of Elvis Presley?

And why do you think your grandparents might call rock n' roll "devil music"? I'm pretty goddamn sure it's not because you're listening to anything remotely Satanic. It's because the original rock n' rollers were black, not white, and anything that got kids on the dance floor that wasn't cracker music had to be in some way related to the devil. And even some of the earliest white rockers (who took most of their influence from Delta blues) were ignorant racists (like Eric Clapton).

It's sad today to see the gross bifurcation of race when you look at different types of music. It's getting better, but it's definitely still a problem.

Bad Brains were homophobic, not racist.

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sleepy jack

I never said they were racist, I just said they weren't open-minded and loving but they're held in this awe and reverence by punk fans who supposedly hate that sort of bigotry. I just find it ridiculous.

"I feel very sorry for a man that needs to lie about what was a perfect evening…trouble was brought us, resulting in those causing the trouble being physically removed by festival security…If they need publicity so badly this is the allegation universe they run into."

"We are in the middle of a wonderful tour, after 30 years we are achieving a true unity in our audience. They are multi-varied, all ages, all races, creeds and colours. When you are at a festival with bands who are jealous fools, lies and confusion usually follow."

"Grow up and learn to be a true man. It's a shame that the wonderful world of the media is riddled with nonsense like this."

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dog

what are you basing that on?

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