Is racism REALLY that relevant in music? (lyric, blues, dance)

Molecules · 07-22-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I doubt Lydon is really racist, wasn't he hanging about in ska clubs before the Pistols? You could say that that isn't enough to say he isn't racist but then would a racist really hang around in a mainly black scene?

he was a notorious champion of Afro-Caribbean music in the late seventies, hell reggae was punk before the bands started forming and playing in London at least. but apparently he's since become a massive bigot. so he probably doesn't talk to Don anymore, or that bloke who was in his band. i'm pretty sure he'll release a statement with his side of the story, so far all i've read is Kele Okelere's thing in the NME, which forgive me for saying so isn't quite the eye-witness fact-based journalism I require to decide the man who wrote 'Careering' is a racist ****

oh and the Noel Gallagher thing wasn't consciously racist, it was just ****ing ridiculous and highlighted the race/class divides in this country that we all already knew were there. And Bizzle actually had something along the lines of 'you black ****' spray painted on his tour bus while he was performing so...

Piss Me Off · 07-22-2008, 04:59 PM

Noel Gallagher isn't racist, he's just a massively backwards closed-minded idiot.

lucifer_sam · 07-22-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

It is quite funny that some people call the early skinhead scene racist when they were listening to Reggae and Ska especially in England late 60's/early 70's and indeed beyond with 2 tone.

That's what skinheads evolved into. It was a reaction by lower-class white Americans to the growing black nationalism movement.

Molecules · 07-22-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Noel Gallagher isn't racist, he's just a massively backwards closed-minded idiot.

he carries the torch for pub-rock like a true working class hero, la. oh sorry he's not from Liverpool *vomits*

sleepy jack · 07-22-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

Bad Brains were homophobic, not racist.

I never said they were racist, I just said they weren't open-minded and loving but they're held in this awe and reverence by punk fans who supposedly hate that sort of bigotry. I just find it ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Molecules

i'm pretty sure he'll release a statement with his side of the story

"I feel very sorry for a man that needs to lie about what was a perfect evening…trouble was brought us, resulting in those causing the trouble being physically removed by festival security…If they need publicity so badly this is the allegation universe they run into."

"We are in the middle of a wonderful tour, after 30 years we are achieving a true unity in our audience. They are multi-varied, all ages, all races, creeds and colours. When you are at a festival with bands who are jealous fools, lies and confusion usually follow."

"Grow up and learn to be a true man. It's a shame that the wonderful world of the media is riddled with nonsense like this."

Molecules · 07-22-2008, 05:15 PM

cheers sleepy. who to believe? they really should have beaten up that prick from Foals

WolfAtTheDoor · 07-22-2008, 05:23 PM

I think a few people do not understand what I meant by race not being relevant in TODAY'S music. I understand completely that it was an issue way back when, youth should not be mistaken for stupidity...

jackhammer · 07-22-2008, 06:09 PM

We do understand, we are just filling the thread out with historical footnotes.

WolfAtTheDoor · 07-22-2008, 06:53 PM

then I stand corrected. But on another note, I find it hilarious that Ricky Wilson of the Kaiser Chiefs stood in to 'back up' keke okereke in the fight.

And I think that if all those punks back in the 70's knew that one day Johnny Rotten would have an entourage, they would have threw out their safety pin dresses there and then.

Inuzuka Skysword · 07-22-2008, 06:55 PM

Does it matter if music expresses racism...NO!

People have a right to their own opinion, and if music isn't true to the heart it ends up sucking...hard.

07-22-2008, 04:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
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Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	cheers sleepy. who to believe? they really should have beaten up that prick from Foals __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

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jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	We do understand, we are just filling the thread out with historical footnotes. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

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WolfAtTheDoor ironing your socks Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I'm in a rocknroll band. huh. Posts: 396	I think a few people do not understand what I meant by race not being relevant in TODAY'S music. I understand completely that it was an issue way back when, youth should not be mistaken for stupidity...

07-22-2008, 06:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
WolfAtTheDoor ironing your socks Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I'm in a rocknroll band. huh. Posts: 396	then I stand corrected. But on another note, I find it hilarious that Ricky Wilson of the Kaiser Chiefs stood in to 'back up' keke okereke in the fight. And I think that if all those punks back in the 70's knew that one day Johnny Rotten would have an entourage, they would have threw out their safety pin dresses there and then.

07-22-2008, 06:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	Does it matter if music expresses racism...NO! People have a right to their own opinion, and if music isn't true to the heart it ends up sucking...hard.