Son of JayJamJah

I will reply to this two issues quickly without discussing the bands in question as not to spoil future posts. But...I think nobody criticizes Muddy or Bo mostly because they get the innovator pass, something you can't give the Stripes, but that's more a punch line then the crux of my argument.

And I was being sarcastic about Prince his 80's stuff sounds so cheesy and dated to me, as much as I respect the diversity of your musical taste, this one blows my mind, it could be a fun debate when the time comes.

jackhammer

I give you credit for posting such a list and I know that you will have the knowledge to back it up. Here is my two- penneth:

I find it quite ironic that you won't put Led Zeppelin in yet they are one of the most overated bands of all time, however Ithink that was a little tongue in cheek from yourself.

20. Radiohead - They are media darlings but they are still an acquired taste and I know lots of people who don't like them. There is quite a lot of their output that I don't like but overrated? Not for me.

19. The Grateful Dead - I have only heard a couple of tracks and that was'nt enough to entice me into getting an album. They are not as big over here though.

18. Snoop Dogg - Used to be a pimp. Nuff said. The guy is a stain on rap.

17. Coldplay - The new album has signs of a band changing their direction slightly which is a good sign but apart from the track 'Sparks', I have never liked their safe 'dad rock'.

16. The Doors - Solid band but Morrison gets far too much credit (agrred with Urban).

15. The Eagles - They did one ballad 'I can't tell you why' which was a good track but they are generally bland insipid radio rock.

14. Garth Brooks - Who? lol

13. John Lennon(post-Beatles) - I listen to his solo music much more than McCartney's and his music has lasted well. 'Cold Turkey' and 'I'm Losing You' are excellent tracks but yeah his solo work was'nt amazing.

12. Eminem - Made one truly excellent track 'Lose Yourself' which was him letting some emotion out for a change and hinted at how good he could have been instead of all the jokey clappy happy bland crap he spewed out.

11. Kanye West - Only heard a few tracks. Thought they were awful.

10. The Rolling Stones - Not a big fan at all and they should have called it a day years ago but their early work should not be ignored.

9. Nirvana - Agreed. Right band, right time.

8. 2 PAC - I like quite a lot of his stuff but I do realise that most of it is posthumous so yeah he is overated.

7. Kiss - I think that they have made some really good tracks in their time. I like a fair bit of their 80's output-'Creatures Of The Night', 'Animalise' and 'Lick It Up' and appreciate it for what it is-toe tapping catchy rock. Have they ever been really rated though? . I thought people just seen them as entertainers.

6. Dave Matthews Band - Never heard anything by them.

5. White Stripes - Agreed but they have a big following who love their back to basics sound. Unfortunately I just find them basic.

4. Prince - 'Sign Of The Times' is the greatest pop album of the 80's bar none and all of his release are peppered with brilliance. If Prince is overated why isn't Michael Jackson on this list?

3. Bruce Springsteen - We have an image of him based upon 'Born To Run' which is not the whole package but he is a quintessential American artist who celebrates his blue collar roots. I have only just started to listen his work but there is a lot more happening in his music than I gave him credit for.

2. U2 - Yes they are overated but I like them. There I said it.

#1!!!!!!!!! Mariah Carey - Number 1? Don't know about that but all those warbling divas should become astronauts i.e shot into space. Houston, Carey,Dion-all absolutely terrible.

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lucifer_sam

I agree completely. I personally love Radiohead, having spent a small fortune on tickets and albums. But I understand that it's become feng shui to like Radiohead, just like it's cool to wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt and say Led Zeppelin was rad. They have achieved an over-hyped image which doesn't befit their music. They are great musicians, but some people (like my sister) who listen to Pablo Honey and enjoy it need to pull their heads out of their asses.

I still say you should have put The Beach Boys on there. I read a Rolling Stone article a couple months ago, where some dude interviewed Brian Wilson. (I think it was after his Kennedy Center nomination.) The ****sucker was comparing them to The Beatles. And all the while, I was just thinking, "No. ****ing no." Pet Sounds was good, I'll admit that. But you morons out there who put them in league with the Stones, the Who, or the Kinks need to learn that good music is beyond catchy harmonies and surfwax beats.

I won't deny that it's not true, that there are people out there who venerate Led Zeppelin beyond all other bands (myself being one of them). But it's so hard to characterize collossal bands like that as overrated when they did so many things perfectly. I'm a fan, but I don't own a t-shirt or have a tattoo of one of their symbols, and sometimes I too get pissed at those that do. But you have to understand - they were huge. This is why I find it questionable to include The Rolling Stones in the list because they were there forty years ago defining the music that spawned generations of rockers. The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd - these bands are off-limits, despite how overrated they may be by some rabid fans. They simply did too much too well.

EDIT: Ha, would you look at that. I just noticed your signature as it played through my speakers. Freaky.

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WaspStar

Springsteen is incredibly talented, but unfortunately, many "fans" ignore those talents in favor of a perceived "patriotic good ol' boy" image. Forget about BTR and BITUSA (though they're good albums); listen to The River, Darkness On The Edge Of Town, and The Ghost Of Tom Joad and tell me the guy's overrated.

But yeah, most of the rest of the list is spot on, especially Nirvana, Radiohead (who should be around #5) and Coldplay.

the_dp

People who hate him tend to look to much at his public persona and not at his music. He uses great samples and makes them his own. Sampling good songs is not lazy and he makes his own raps to them. if you had ever heard his Young Folks rap maybe you would agree. He IS the greatest rapper alive and personally he is the only rapper whose albums I have been able to listen to all the way through without skipping a track (Dropout and Graduation, Late Registration had a few filler tracks.) He doesn't just try to rap fast, he even occasionally sings. In concert he will sing a lot of the lyrics he doesn't sing on the albums and the guy can totally own an entire crowd. The only reason people jump on the hate wagon now is because of Bonnaroo ( a commercial venue I would never frequent btw) and how he basically got bluefalconed by Robert Randolph (a talentless DMB wannabe) and the event coordinator (as well as Pearl Jam, the worthless of the worthless band).

sleepy jack

Yeah that ****sucker was also responsible for some of the Beatles best music.

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Rainard Jalen

Firstly, to deal with this:

I think it's you who seem to know "garbage" about music. Kanye is overrated, a lame rapper, and a TERRIBLE rhymer. He has virtually no redeeming MC skills at all. That you seem to think otherwise is a plain indication of exactly what you accused Jay of. Sorry to be the one to break it to ya.

Piss Me Off

My problem with his persona is that he genuinely thinks he's God's answer to hip-hop or something, and if you're going to be like that i think you should back that up with your music.
His formula is dull. What he does is take a famous sample like with Daft Punk and Curtis Mayfield that people will recognise and rap over it with the whole uplifiting lyrics spiel. Everyone knows the Move On Up tune so it sells. He's a clever businessmen but thats it.
I have to admit if i was a fan i'd probably enjoy the live shows, he seems to at least have some passion there but on record it's just not there.

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almauro

I'd put REM at the top of the list.

lucifer_sam

Seconded! I'm not going to offer criticisms about Bonnaroo (seeing as how I wasn't there), but I will say this: Kanye West is possibly the most deservest to be on this list. I admire him for taking hip-hop past "I'm the best and I'm gonna talk about it for forty minutes" but more people need to understand that he is by no means a good rapper. Good beats and fantastic production don't guarantee quality of music, and it is unfortunate that he is esteemed as the best modern rapper when Lupe and Lil Wayne work so hard.

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