The Case For/ The Case Against.. (lyric, blues, dance, drum)

sl1ck · 05-21-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Instead you get crap like this.

Sometimes you just have to accept failure.

How many goddamn ****ing times do I have to tell you? Not only that Zeppelin only stole lyrics not riffs but even so you're compelled to mention it all the goddamn time when describing any of their music, what riffs were stolen on this album? None, you didn't even give an example and thats because you can't, yeah you'll pull the whole Taurus thing out of your ass and with complete disregard for how horrible an example it is. Its completely irrelevant for you even to bring this **** up, you can't just express you're dislike for the album, you just GOTTA TROLL, and you're obviously trolling because i've already told you god knows how many damn times how it annoys me and that I'd wish you would stop.

You want specific examples of Led Zeppelin stealing songs/riffs/lyrics? I can give you plently off the top of my head, Page made a career off of ripping off other artists, especially blues artists and then giving himself songwriting credits. There is nothing wrong with covering a song, as long as credit is given. So, some songs Led Zeppelin "adapted" (a lot of times just changed the song title slightly for the original):
"Dazed and Confused" was by Jake Holmes, "Whole Lotta Love" was adapted from a Willie Dixon song called "You Need Love," ""How Many More Years" is adapted from Howlin' Wolf's -"How Many More Times," "Gallow's Pole" was nicked from Leadbelly's "Gallis Tree," "Black Mountainside" was adapted from Bert Janch's "Black Waterside," ""Bron- Y-Stomp" was adapted from a Bert Jansch/John Renbourn arrangement of "The Waggoner's Lad."

In some cases they almost word for word took lyrics. In others the songs are basically covers of the original, except with Plant/Page taking songwriting credits. There are plenty of other Zeppelin tunes that Page lifted from places, he consistently ripped parts of songs off from other artists. Anything that is a Zeppelin original is guaranteed to have poor songwriting and generally poor composition.

boo boo · 05-21-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sl1ck

You want specific examples of Led Zeppelin stealing songs/riffs/lyrics? I can give you plently off the top of my head, Page made a career off of ripping off other artists, especially blues artists and then giving himself songwriting credits. There is nothing wrong with covering a song, as long as credit is given. So, some songs Led Zeppelin "adapted" (a lot of times just changed the song title slightly for the original):
"Dazed and Confused" was by Jake Holmes, "Whole Lotta Love" was adapted from a Willie Dixon song called "You Need Love," ""How Many More Years" is adapted from Howlin' Wolf's -"How Many More Times," "Gallow's Pole" was nicked from Leadbelly's "Gallis Tree," "Black Mountainside" was adapted from Bert Janch's "Black Waterside," ""Bron- Y-Stomp" was adapted from a Bert Jansch/John Renbourn arrangement of "The Waggoner's Lad."

Looks like somebody did a quick copy and paste job here. I've heard all these examples being used, countless times. And I've heard all the songs that Page allegedly stole from. And this is what I think of your piss poor examples.

Dazed and Confused - For one, thats not a stolen riff, ITS A COVER. Zeps spin of the song is very different anyway. Pages playing on that song is entirely original.

Seriously, tell me this

YouTube - Dazed and Confused

and this

YouTube - Led Zeppelin - Dazed And Confused

Are the same.

Whole Lotta Love - You know what this song stole from You Need Love? The Lyrics. AND THATS IT, THATS ALL THEY STOLE. And how about Zeppelins lyrics, oh yeah, no serious Zep fan is gonna tell you they had great lyrics.

This is the Willie Dixon song You Need Love.

YouTube - Willie Dixon -- You need love

No sale.

How Many More Times - First off, you had it backwards, it was the Howlin Wolf song thats called How Many More Years. Now this is a better example, it most certainly isn't a ripoff though, but its clearly an inspiration, particarly the vocal melody, but the music and structure is insanely different, not the same song at all. And hilariously enough you miss the point yet again, Pages riff on HMMT is not stolen from anything, it was an original contribution. Do you hear the riff in this song?

YouTube - Howlin' Wolf - How Many More Years

Didn't think so.

Gallows Pole - What you failed to realise is, this is actually a version of a centuries old folk song, Lead Belly did NOT pen this song, he just made a famous recording of it. Its not known who actually wrote it, so you can't blame Zeppelin for not crediting anyone.

Black Mountain Side - This time you're right, it pretty much is a ripoff of blackwaterside. So congrats you managed to make one good example.

Too bad Black Mountain Side is one of the most forgetable tracks Zeppelin have ever done.

Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp - Ok, yeah its pretty much the same riff, I would call that a stolen riff, IF it weren't for the fact that Jansch didn't write The Waggoners Lad and that its yet another traditional song with no credited writer. Everything else about this song is original, the lyrics and the vocals, so they made it their own.

So what I'm getting at here is. You just failed on a massive level.

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In some cases they almost word for word took lyrics.

Someone call the cops, Zeppelin stole lyrics? And all this time we thought Plant was such a brilliant lyricist. Oh wait. Nope, who cares?

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In others the songs are basically covers of the original

Only Dazed & Confused comes to mind, which is still vastly different from the original in both the way it sounds and its overall structure, usually when Zeppelin covered something, they added a lot to it and made it their own.

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except with Plant/Page taking songwriting credits.

I'm not gonna defend them for that. But it dosen't justify all the lies, and there are many lies.

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There are plenty of other Zeppelin tunes that Page lifted from places, he consistently ripped parts of songs off from other artists.

And yet you fail to make any examples. They can't possibly be as laughable as the ones you just gave, or can they?

Besides, Ethan is actually right, do you even know anything about the structure of 8 and 12 barre blues or the blues scale? Its awfully simple and generic. Its not unusual at all for blues guitarists to have riffs or solos that sound similar to another by just sheer coincidence.

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Anything that is a Zeppelin original is guaranteed to have poor songwriting and generally poor composition.

Absolutely not.

Music fans like you make me sick to my stomach, its not that you don't like Zeppelin, I'm used to people hating Zep. But its when you take a lot of these exagerations and downright filthy lies passed down from many a bitter douchebag going to extremes just to try and discredit a band they don't like.

And thats the thing, you obviously did no research on this matter AT ALL, you just read it on Wikipedia and some other websites and instantly took it for truth, because you want a lousy excuse to justify your elitist attitude about Led Zeppelin and their fans.