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Looks like somebody did a quick copy and paste job here. I've heard all these examples being used, countless times. And I've heard all the songs that Page allegedly stole from. And this is what I think of your piss poor examples.

Dazed and Confused - For one, thats not a stolen riff, ITS A COVER. Zeps spin of the song is very different anyway. Pages playing on that song is entirely original.

Seriously, tell me this

YouTube - Dazed and Confused

and this

YouTube - Led Zeppelin - Dazed And Confused

Are the same.

Whole Lotta Love - You know what this song stole from You Need Love? The Lyrics. AND THATS IT, THATS ALL THEY STOLE. And how about Zeppelins lyrics, oh yeah, no serious Zep fan is gonna tell you they had great lyrics.

This is the Willie Dixon song You Need Love.

YouTube - Willie Dixon -- You need love

No sale.

How Many More Times - First off, you had it backwards, it was the Howlin Wolf song thats called How Many More Years. Now this is a better example, it most certainly isn't a ripoff though, but its clearly an inspiration, particarly the vocal melody, but the music and structure is insanely different, not the same song at all. And hilariously enough you miss the point yet again, Pages riff on HMMT is not stolen from anything, it was an original contribution. Do you hear the riff in this song?

YouTube - Howlin' Wolf - How Many More Years

Didn't think so.

Gallows Pole - What you failed to realise is, this is actually a version of a centuries old folk song, Lead Belly did NOT pen this song, he just made a famous recording of it. Its not known who actually wrote it, so you can't blame Zeppelin for not crediting anyone.

Black Mountain Side - This time you're right, it pretty much is a ripoff of blackwaterside. So congrats you managed to make one good example.

Too bad Black Mountain Side is one of the most forgetable tracks Zeppelin have ever done.

Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp - Ok, yeah its pretty much the same riff, I would call that a stolen riff, IF it weren't for the fact that Jansch didn't write The Waggoners Lad and that its yet another traditional song with no credited writer. Everything else about this song is original, the lyrics and the vocals, so they made it their own.

So what I'm getting at here is. You just failed on a massive level.

Someone call the cops, Zeppelin stole lyrics? And all this time we thought Plant was such a brilliant lyricist. Oh wait. Nope, who cares?

Only Dazed & Confused comes to mind, which is still vastly different from the original in both the way it sounds and its overall structure, usually when Zeppelin covered something, they added a lot to it and made it their own.

I'm not gonna defend them for that. But it dosen't justify all the lies, and there are many lies.

And yet you fail to make any examples. They can't possibly be as laughable as the ones you just gave, or can they?

Besides, Ethan is actually right, do you even know anything about the structure of 8 and 12 barre blues or the blues scale? Its awfully simple and generic. Its not unusual at all for blues guitarists to have riffs or solos that sound similar to another by just sheer coincidence.



Absolutely not.

Music fans like you make me sick to my stomach, its not that you don't like Zeppelin, I'm used to people hating Zep. But its when you take a lot of these exagerations and downright filthy lies passed down from many a bitter douchebag going to extremes just to try and discredit a band they don't like.

And thats the thing, you obviously did no research on this matter AT ALL, you just read it on Wikipedia and some other websites and instantly took it for truth, because you want a lousy excuse to justify your elitist attitude about Led Zeppelin and their fans.

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sleepy jack

I don't know why you'd suggest him Five Leaves Left when he disliked the acoustic stuff since Bryter Layter is almost completely full band and way better.

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I'm not recommending it, I'm just saying it's better.

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Already this has descended into chaos. Many thanks to Jayjamjah to provide a counterpoint and that is what I wanted more.
I will change the format with the proviso that any album that starts discussion, needs a week on show to provide argument and counter argument.

A PM with an album idea will place you next in line and a week of debate.

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Okay to be fair to Led Zeppelin; blues artists made a career out of doing the same thing and since none of them had the impact or popularity Led Zeppelin did no one really cares. Hell even folk artists did it, ever listened to the "originals" on Dylan's debut? Song to Woody sounds exactly like 1913 Massacre yet he took all the songwriting credits.

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That is true, a lot of Zeppelin songs were blues standards (especially their debut). A lot of blues artists covered each other's work and I don't think anyone cared much.

However, I think Page was deliberately dishonest on several occasions. Namely with Jake Holmes and "Dazed and Confused." He saw Holmes live and was inspired by the song. So he reworked it with the Yardbirds and claimed it as his own. Holmes has never received any royalties for the song and Page denied knowing who Holmes was or who did the original version of "Dazed and Confused." When Holmes contacted Led Zeppelin about the matter, they didn't even bother to respond to his inquiry.

Page doesn't seem to respect old blues artists, nor does he seem to care if they are credited or not. Plus the practice of changing the song titles is pretty suspicious.

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Fair enough, I'm not trying to piss people off. Boo Boo seemed to want some examples of songs, so I hope I was able to help him out. I try to keep things as factual as possible, my apologies for opinionated statements.

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Which is funny seeing as I just stuck up for Led Zeppelin.

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Right, we clearly have different interpretations of the music. And again, I didn't say all of the songs were complete rip offs, I pointed that out rather clearly in my post. And there was no copying and pasting from anywhere, although I have done my research over the years to support my arguments. However, if you want more examples I found these here (didn't even know about some of them):

Led Zeppelin

# "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
# "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
# "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
# "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
# "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
# "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
# "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
# "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
# "Moby ****" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
# "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
# "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
# "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

And I don't have the time or the desire to go and hunt down other examples.

I am very familiar with the 8 and 12 bar blues and the blues scale. I love the blues, it's one of my favorite genres of music. Anything from Son House to Mississippi John Hurt to Reverend Gary Davis, etc. I love and enjoy listening to.

You can't complain about not being able to see examples and then get upset when some are posted. Let's keep the discussion civil, no need for animosity or name calling.

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Man. This is fun. That link is complete garbage.

Again, I already addressed the fact that Zeppelin covered songs but didn't credit the writers, as lowdown as that was, fair is fair. This IS a cover, not a ripoff. Even so, it sounds VERY different from both Bredons version and the Joan Baez version. The riff is not the same, and Plants vocal style is quite a different take on it.

Yeah the intro and outro are uncredited covers. Everything inbetween is entirely original, and thats the part of the song thats freaking awesome.


Now this is just a bullcrap shot in the dark comparison based on a very generic use of simple chords. I don't hear the similarites at all myself. This is one of the best examples of Zep haters getting desperate.

So yeah, thats how people come to the conclusion that Communication Breakdown is a stolen song, based entirely on two riffs that don't even sound alike, and what else was "stolen" you might ask? Nothing. Entirely original song. Just happens to have a similar title and thats probably where people came to the conclusion that the song is influenced by it somehow. Curse you Led Zeppelin, stealing the word "breakdown", how dare you?

Once again, only the lyrics.

Its actually a medley of different blues songs.

Never mind that its one of the worst songs Zep ever did.

Nay. Its not really a cover, just inspired by it. The riff and beat sure ass hell aren't the same. And thats what drives the song. And all they stole from The Hunter were lyrics. Hmm... I see a pattern here.

Its a traditional song as in the writer is unknown, who in the hell are they gonna credit?

I guess they mean they should have called it "traditional", and that they should, yet another example of an uncredited cover, not a ripoff.

And I think I've already explained that Zeppelins covers are almost always radically different from the original songs. They make everything their own.

Nope. Not a cover. They took the lyrics (lol) and yes the riff that comes in at 1:28 is clearly a homage to the song. And thats what it is, a homage. Bands can't pay homages? Then All You Need is Love is a ripoff of She Loves You, by that logic.



Whoever wrote this is just making crap up now. Its NOT a cover. The riff does sound pretty similar to Watch Your Step by Bobby Parker which is NOT a cover of The Girl I Love, She Got Long Curly Hair by Sleepy John Estes. Moby D*ck is not related to that song at all, Page simply used the riff before in a song from the BBC sessions called The Girl I love, I don't think its even a Sleepy John cover, dumbasses couldn't even get their facts straight. The riff to I Feel Fine by The Beatles also sounds very damn similar to it, just as much as the Moby D*ck riff does.

Maybe Page did steal this riff, unfortunately so did John Lennon. Small world eh?

Wrong, just the lyrics, AGAIN, just the lyrics.

Lyrics you say?

They guys apparrently cant tell the difference between influence and covers. Its not a cover.

Look I'm not insulting you here, a little angry sure. But you're saying stuff without checking your facts, and you're citing sources that are biased and incredibly inaccurate, that site got a lot of things wrong. Sorry but I call bull**** when you pick an argument with me and can't back up your claims with any real facts.

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