The Case For/ The Case Against.. (lyrics, blues, dance, metal)

sl1ck · 05-22-2008, 07:44 PM

Oh, there's no doubt that Jimmy Page wrote some good riffs. The riff to "Heartbreaker" is awesome. I'm not trying to discredit Page's ability to write a catchy riff. "Hey Hey What Can I Do" is another good example. I actually like "Hey Hey What Can I Do," Plant's vocals are tolerable, and the lyrics aren't stupid. Don't know why that song isn't as well known as their other stuff, I would consider it one of the best B-Sides ever.

Oh, and Bonham was an incredible drummer. I don't normally care about drummers, but he was fantastic. He had a truly unique style that is instantly recognizable. His drumming on the "Stairway to Heaven" nearly overshadows the solo for me.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-22-2008, 09:44 PM

This thread is on life support

Shame too, it's a great idea for a thread

jackhammer · 05-23-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

This thread is on life support

Shame too, it's a great idea for a thread

I have'nt been on for a couple of nights to moderate this. You are spot on JJJ. The idea was to discuss an ALBUM WITH case's for and against. I thought this would make good discussion not a bunch of posts discussing the band and NOT the album. I do not dislike Zeppelin, I am just not a huge fan. I was hoping people would follow my lead and look at the album objectively and the album ONLY. The thread will be moderated more closely know.

The thread begins anew with the aforementioned ASTRAL WEEKS.

Who's first with a view?

ProggyMan · 05-23-2008, 04:38 PM

Case Against:
This is considered Van Morrison's first 'classic' album and it's easy to see why. His songwriting, while not as top notch as on Moondance, Tuplo Honey or Veedon Fleece, is still excellent. Not to mention the title track is one of, if not the, best song he's ever written. Unfortunately nothing else on the album quite reaches the heights of 'Astral Weeks' and ultimately there's a point where even the best of ideas can get old. Especially one so reliant one aspect of the music, Mr. Morrison's aforementioned angelic vocals. His voice doesn't have quite the richness or depth of later albums, and he's obviously not as experienced vocally, because there's made little use of his vocal agility and dynamicness. Also the lyrics often seem a bit clumsy, even contrived. This is still a good album, but it lacks the relative musical diversity of Moondance and just plain gets old quickly.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-23-2008, 10:27 PM

Wile you make some valid points Porggy, I don't agree. I think there is outstanding utilization of Van's vocals on the album. As far as contrived lyrics a number of the songs were written in stream of consciousness, and it's that raw, pure emotion that elevates the album to it's iconic pedestal.

This album is amazing, from end to end a classic; the unique song cycle concept allows the album to flow song to song and end to end in an almost perfect elegance as natural as Van's gifts.

jackhammer · 06-09-2008, 03:14 PM

Does anyone want to offer up an opinion on a classic album?

Son of JayJamJah · 06-09-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Does anyone want to offer up an opinion on a classic album?

I can't figure out why this thread won't take off. Seems like a lot fewer people posting then a year ago.

ProggyMan · 06-09-2008, 08:11 PM

Yah, people are always going off about sacred cows, here's your chance to prove it.

ashtray · 06-09-2008, 03:53 PM

I will comment on Led Zeppelins IV. I think that album gets a lot more credit than it deserves (just because of stairway, though I'm not a huge Zep head as it is). I am really enjoying these threads you guys know a lot.

ashtray · 06-09-2008, 08:21 PM

I agree this is a cool thread. I am just not to sure how it works. Are you guys waiting for someone else to post another album to review? Can you guys not post more of your sacred cows?

05-22-2008, 07:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
sl1ck Wish Fulfillment Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 99	Oh, there's no doubt that Jimmy Page wrote some good riffs. The riff to "Heartbreaker" is awesome. I'm not trying to discredit Page's ability to write a catchy riff. "Hey Hey What Can I Do" is another good example. I actually like "Hey Hey What Can I Do," Plant's vocals are tolerable, and the lyrics aren't stupid. Don't know why that song isn't as well known as their other stuff, I would consider it one of the best B-Sides ever. Oh, and Bonham was an incredible drummer. I don't normally care about drummers, but he was fantastic. He had a truly unique style that is instantly recognizable. His drumming on the "Stairway to Heaven" nearly overshadows the solo for me. __________________ Last.FM RYM

05-23-2008, 04:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Case Against: This is considered Van Morrison's first 'classic' album and it's easy to see why. His songwriting, while not as top notch as on Moondance, Tuplo Honey or Veedon Fleece, is still excellent. Not to mention the title track is one of, if not the, best song he's ever written. Unfortunately nothing else on the album quite reaches the heights of 'Astral Weeks' and ultimately there's a point where even the best of ideas can get old. Especially one so reliant one aspect of the music, Mr. Morrison's aforementioned angelic vocals. His voice doesn't have quite the richness or depth of later albums, and he's obviously not as experienced vocally, because there's made little use of his vocal agility and dynamicness. Also the lyrics often seem a bit clumsy, even contrived. This is still a good album, but it lacks the relative musical diversity of Moondance and just plain gets old quickly. Last edited by ProggyMan; 05-23-2008 at 06:34 PM.

06-09-2008, 03:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Does anyone want to offer up an opinion on a classic album? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

05-22-2008, 09:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	This thread is on life support Shame too, it's a great idea for a thread

05-23-2008, 10:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	Wile you make some valid points Porggy, I don't agree. I think there is outstanding utilization of Van's vocals on the album. As far as contrived lyrics a number of the songs were written in stream of consciousness, and it's that raw, pure emotion that elevates the album to it's iconic pedestal. This album is amazing, from end to end a classic; the unique song cycle concept allows the album to flow song to song and end to end in an almost perfect elegance as natural as Van's gifts.

06-09-2008, 08:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Yah, people are always going off about sacred cows, here's your chance to prove it.

06-09-2008, 03:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
ashtray Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canerrrrduuuh Posts: 134	I will comment on Led Zeppelins IV. I think that album gets a lot more credit than it deserves (just because of stairway, though I'm not a huge Zep head as it is). I am really enjoying these threads you guys know a lot.

06-09-2008, 08:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
ashtray Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canerrrrduuuh Posts: 134	I agree this is a cool thread. I am just not to sure how it works. Are you guys waiting for someone else to post another album to review? Can you guys not post more of your sacred cows?