Urban Hat€monger ?

The Downliners Sekt are a group on musicians from London who for the past 3 or 4 years have been offering their music free online with an option to donate money.

On the subject of Radiohead they say this...

Its quite frustrating when people tell us 'Cool! Like Radiohead!'. It seems those guys turned themselves into free music scene leaders within 3 months, making more money than any fuckwit on a major label.
Since our first release we offered the option to download the album for free or donate what one thought was worth paying. That was 3 years ago, and we weren't the first ones.
Mr Radiohead turns up with his cool new idea and his 160 fucking kbps and the world bows to his mediocrity. This is how they hijacked for their own sake a social phenomenon and turned it into a marketing tool to promote their physical release.
Because of the low quality of the files, the lack of artwork and credits, and huge difference between the free release mixes of the free release and the commercial ones, we quickly assumed they didn't take the radical path.
Radiohead becomes number one on the bestselling charts, and the industry wins another battle in its propaganda devaluing the quality of mp3 releases.

I thought it was an interesting point of view that in a way i've never really looked at it before. Without irate Radiohead fans who probably just think 'they're jealous of Radiohead success' does anyone think they have a point?

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sleepy jack

I kind of think they have a point but I get this bitter vibe from them. Personally I'd be happy Radiohead did it even if I was doing it first, because I've never heard of this band and they could do this their whole career and no one would've cared and it probably wouldn't have changed anything. Now if a big named band like Radiohead does it it could start a very positive trend. I can understand why they'd be frustrated and angry about it though if people are going "Like Radiohead!" to them.

Also I want to note Radiohead made it 160kbps so it was higher quality than itunes but not album quality. I think it's kind of petty to get pissy about how Radiohead went about it, it's not like they ran around saying they were the first ones doing and they were so invented look at them. I mean other people did it but it's perfectly plausible that Radiohead had never even heard of these guys before.

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right-track

They do have a point, providing Radiohead layed claim to being the first.
Which I don't think is the case.
Also, just how bad are the quality of the mp3's provided for In Rainbows?

sleepy jack

They're 160 kbps, which is better than itunes offers (128kbps) but it's not CD quality (which ranges from whatever you rip it too basically, I'm not sure what CD quality exactly is but the highest I can rip it to is 320kbps.) I mean I think it's pretty good quality, better than most free downloads. If you have a problem with the quality it's not like you had to pay for it. I think it's petty to bitch at Radiohead for their mp3 quality, lack of artwork and credits. I mean how much artwork do you include with a digital download? They had the main cover and as for credits I'm pretty sure Radiohead do everything themselves nowadays including production.

I'm also very sure Radiohead never claimed to be the first to do it. Now Pitchfork on the other hand hyped it ridiculously for months and we all know how their readers rehash every single thing they say.

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right-track

I posted while you were posting and didn't get to read yours.

It seems like sour grapes to me.
Why complain about someone doing something that they have been doing for ages?

adidasss

Precisely. Bruised egos, nout more.

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right-track

Agreed...

"Its quite frustrating when people tell us 'Cool! Like Radiohead!'. It seems those guys turned themselves into free music scene leaders within 3 months, making more money than any ****wit on a major label."

...there's the give away.

sleepy jack

I really hate to sound like one of those irate radiohead fans but they really are being ridiculous when I really think about it. The Pax Cecilia have been offering their CD for FREE and paying shipping themselves for long time and they've never said a word about Radiohead doing this. I mean recording something and putting it up on the net is a helluva alot cheaper than making a bunch of copies and paying postage to different copies and so on. That bands actually losing money in what they're doing (assuming they never got donations or anything for it.) They've given away about 10,000 CDs, all paid by themselves. She Died Real Pretty mailed me all their work for free just because I asked, I even offered to pay about 30-40 dollars first and they just told me no and asked for my address. The Kidcrash gave me their demo for free too as did the Lady is Not For Burning. Reuben have started giving away their old EPs at shows too.

What Radiohead did was take a very (very very very) small DIY very very underground and idea and throw it out to the rest of the world showing how unnecessary record labels are and what happened? Why a bunch of no one bands start coming out and complaining about Radiohead doing this and getting mad about them for claims they never made. Every one who downloaded the Radiohead album was fully aware of the quality and that a physical release would follow. I think people are bitching just because this is Radiohead and they're rich so it takes away the idea of it being "DIY" and "indie." As I said before, I think Radiohead deserve credit for bringing this form of releasing to the mainstream.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

I do thing they have a point where they say they just used it as a marketing tool.

If it really was something Radiohead believed in sincerely then why can't you get the album from their site now?

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sleepy jack

I don't think Radiohead even pretended it wasn't anything more than a marketing tool. It's no coincidence that they took the download option off as soon as you could buy the album.

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