The Explain Why You Like This Album ('cause i don't understand) Thread (albums, pink floyd)

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

I think what matters to you is a choice of your own. For instance, i was talking to someone on here who won't listen to Burzum because he's racist and burns churches and murders people (his words, not mine), even though he doesn't sing about that. It bothers me more that Tom Araya is Catholic but sings about being a follower of Satan for dramatic effect than that Varg Vikernes burns churches - at least he stands by his ideals (whether or not I agree with them) and doesn't just pretend to be a certain way for metal points. I find that to be way more true to metal. It is what matters to me. It doesn't have to be what matters to anyone else. And, as i already stated, their Catholicism is not why i dislike Slayer. In fact... i would go so far as to say that I do like slayer, just not Tom Araya.

You`ve certainly got a warped viewpoint here. Firstly, Tom Araya probably only writes about 30% of the bands lyrics at most! The groups main lyricists are both Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman and so he sings what he`s given. In reference to the "Reign in Blood" album Tom Araya didn`t write a single lyric on there and that is one of the group`s most controversial releases! Slayer also sing about different forms of violence such as serial killers, warfare and nazism etc ......and I doubt very much that they practice any of these. In fact a lot of metal groups don`t practice what they sing, so Slayer can hardly be called fake in that respect.

If you`re trying to infer that Varg Vikernes and the other Norweigan black metal acts are true metal because they practice what they preach and the other groups like Slayer don`t etc. Then that is complete and utter bollocks and an extremely narrow minded viewpoint on your part.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

You`ve certainly got a warped viewpoint here. Firstly, Tom Araya probably only writes about 30% of the bands lyrics at most! The groups main lyricists are both Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman and so he sings what he`s given. In reference to the "Reign in Blood" album Tom Araya didn`t write a single lyric on there and that is one of the group`s most controversial releases! Slayer also sing about different forms of violence such as serial killers, warfare and nazism etc ......and I doubt very much that they practice any of these. In fact a lot of metal groups don`t practice what they sing, so Slayer can hardly be called fake in that respect.

If you`re trying to infer that Varg Vikernes and the other Norweigan black metal acts are true metal because they practice what they preach and the other groups like Slayer don`t etc. Then that is complete and utter bollocks and an extremely narrow minded viewpoint on your part.

Calling someone's viewpoint warped is certainly an ineffective way to converse with them.

Whether or not Tom Araya writes the lyrics is irrelevant. How I feel goes for any of the members of the band. They agree to perform the music with its subject matter as a band and who writes what is irrelevant. No one has answered my question about whether or not Slayer has always been open about the fact that their subject matter is just for effect. If they have always been open about it then I have no problem with it. But if they spent years of their career trying to seem metal by having this subject matter and not letting on that they, in fact, deeply disagree with it, that is different (to me). And I emphasize "to me" because many of you seem to think that it can be proved wrong that it matters if they sing about being followers of satan when they are Catholics (or Tom Araya is, I don't know about the others but I know they're not satanists) when, in fact, it is up to me and only me if i decide to care about this. I'm not sure why so many of you are trying so hard to convince me that it is not important if, to me, it is.

As far as your comment about how "lot's of metal bands don't practice what they sing" i suggest you refer to my earlier post where I mentioned this, my feelings about it, and why i think Slayer is different.

As far as your last paragraph... i am not trying to suggest that. I am simply making a statement about how I feel about the band Slayer and that is it.

Also, I guess I must reiterate AGAIN that my main problem with slayer has nothing to do with their subject matter. I love their instrumentals. I just don't like Tom Araya's vocal style. i don't like the way he sings. It bothers me. Or are you going to try to convince me that THAT shouldn't bother me either?

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

But... as this is not the entire subject matter of the band... and as Satanism and/or anti-Christianity is the (almost) ENTIRE subject matter of Slayer's music... the analogy is not great.

Nearly all the ENTIRE subject matter of this forum revolves around music. Most of the posters on here aren`t musicians, yet they discuss music on here. Does this make them fake, given the fact that they aren`t musicians?

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

I think you`re an apologist for Varg Vikernes.

Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

Calling someone's viewpoint warped is certainly an ineffective way to converse with them.

Not when that person goes round and round in circles.