The Explain Why You Like This Album ('cause i don't understand) Thread

[Dayvan Cowboy]

Originally Posted by OctaneHugo

I don't like much metal but what I do listen to I prefer to know what's being sung about.

You must hate Sigur Ros....

*starts singing in Hopelandic*

[James]

Originally Posted by EyeSeeSound

Alright, Primal Scream's Screamadelica.

basically it is possibly the most over-rated of all the Brit Pop albums, has a couple of borderline ok singles on it, is filled with pish and is still probably the highpoint of their career.

I get sick of press muppets going 'ooog, Primal Scream. Ooooh, Screamadelica was so amazing'. it's ****e and i defy anyone to justify otherwise without either a) lying b) joking or c) proving they are tone deaf and as cool as mo Mowlam.

Do you like Dance music?
No?
That's why.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by sidewinder

Well, sometimes a vocalist makes me with I could understand the vocals. You're right about this one though, doesn't sound like there are any vocals. And it doesn't appeal to me at all.

haha yea, this kind of music is definitely an acquired taste

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Does it also bother you that James Hetfield sings about losing his sight, hearing, arms and legs to a landmine despite the fact that this has clearly never happened to him?

very nice try at an analogy but alas...

IF the ENTIRE subject matter of Metallica as a band was about the difficulties etc. of being a deaf, dumb, and blind quadraplegic, I WOULD have a problem with it.

But... as this is not the entire subject matter of the band... and as Satanism and/or anti-Christianity is the (almost) ENTIRE subject matter of Slayer's music... the analogy is not great.

And I'd like to reiterate that I am allowed to like or dislike whatever I want based on what I find to be important, and that it is not necessary to attempt to humiliate me because you disagree with my reasons for disliking something.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Engine

Ha - that's funny. Or like ironic at least. How do you figure that Araya is "pretending" any more than Varg (doesn't that mean 'wolf' in some language? What a fake)?
I wager that Araya has a deeper understanding of his own background and religion than wolfman does. Exploration of darkness is the essence of Catholicism - especially for American Hispanic Catholics. Perhaps Varg needs to experience life outside of the liberal 80s Scandinavian politics that spawned the region's fairly ridiculous 90s black metal scene and a posh jail cell before he can ponder what the meaning of 'extreme' is, eh?

If you're just asking why Slayer is a good metal band then here is my response:
Araya screamed with more hardcore punk finesse than any of the other 'big ones', Lombardo played better drums than pretty much everybody since the Jazz greats, and King played ingeniously unintuitive, nonsensical guitar solos that stir the soul more than any xenophobic Norwegian asshole ever has. If you like Wolfie but hate Araya, and this bias reflects in your metal taste, then I doubt you're much of a music fan.

I have never experienced "logic" such as yours before...
First of all, nicknames are pervasive through the musical world and I'd argue that merely giving yourself a nickname (especially one that is in line with the lifestyle and ancestral religion of the people of the country in which you were raised) is not faking as much as telling millions of people in your songs that Satan is your master when you are Catholic.
Second, before you criticize Varg Vikernes based on the Norwegian penal system (it's not HIS fault the jails there are more lenient and, conveniently, more EFFECTIVE than our "brand them and throw them in the trash to rot" system) perhaps you should consider how he got there in the first place. I'd say that BURNING DOWN CHURCHES and STABBING YOUR FRIEND IN THE FOREHEAD WITH A KNIFE are levels of "extreme" that would make a god-fearing Catholic such as Araya piss in his pants just to watch.

I am no longer asking why Slayer is a good metal band. If you had taken the time to read the conversation you would have noticed that I agree that Slayer is an incredible instrumental metal band and that I simply do not like Tom Araya's vocal style (and that I'm perturbed by the subject matter, considering)

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

You`ve certainly got a warped viewpoint here. Firstly, Tom Araya probably only writes about 30% of the bands lyrics at most! The groups main lyricists are both Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman and so he sings what he`s given. In reference to the "Reign in Blood" album Tom Araya didn`t write a single lyric on there and that is one of the group`s most controversial releases! Slayer also sing about different forms of violence such as serial killers, warfare and nazism etc ......and I doubt very much that they practice any of these. In fact a lot of metal groups don`t practice what they sing, so Slayer can hardly be called fake in that respect.

If you`re trying to infer that Varg Vikernes and the other Norweigan black metal acts are true metal because they practice what they preach and the other groups like Slayer don`t etc. Then that is complete and utter bollocks and an extremely narrow minded viewpoint on your part.

Calling someone's viewpoint warped is certainly an ineffective way to converse with them.

Whether or not Tom Araya writes the lyrics is irrelevant. How I feel goes for any of the members of the band. They agree to perform the music with its subject matter as a band and who writes what is irrelevant. No one has answered my question about whether or not Slayer has always been open about the fact that their subject matter is just for effect. If they have always been open about it then I have no problem with it. But if they spent years of their career trying to seem metal by having this subject matter and not letting on that they, in fact, deeply disagree with it, that is different (to me). And I emphasize "to me" because many of you seem to think that it can be proved wrong that it matters if they sing about being followers of satan when they are Catholics (or Tom Araya is, I don't know about the others but I know they're not satanists) when, in fact, it is up to me and only me if i decide to care about this. I'm not sure why so many of you are trying so hard to convince me that it is not important if, to me, it is.

As far as your comment about how "lot's of metal bands don't practice what they sing" i suggest you refer to my earlier post where I mentioned this, my feelings about it, and why i think Slayer is different.

As far as your last paragraph... i am not trying to suggest that. I am simply making a statement about how I feel about the band Slayer and that is it.

Also, I guess I must reiterate AGAIN that my main problem with slayer has nothing to do with their subject matter. I love their instrumentals. I just don't like Tom Araya's vocal style. i don't like the way he sings. It bothers me. Or are you going to try to convince me that THAT shouldn't bother me either?

[TheCunningStunt]

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You do know there's a multi quote function don't you? It's next to the quote button.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

That`s not really a correct statement is it? With the exception of black, death, various thrash bands and some other genres of metal. The majority of metal has clean vocals with dominant lead singers. If you doubt my word, try checking out other genres of metal and especially power metal. Also remember Dio, Bruce ****inson...................

Um... I'd say that since you offered more than three examples of metal genres where you can't usually hear the lyrics and only one genre and two singers where you can... that perhaps the first example IS the majority. I think it is.

Also, please don't presume to know what I listen to. I happen to listen to power metal.

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by OctaneHugo

I don't like much metal but what I do listen to I prefer to know what's being sung about.

Listen to classic or power metal. Some thrash and death metal even, like Chuck Schuldiner. Or read the lyrics

[ImmortalDiotima]

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

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You do know there's a multi quote function don't you? It's next to the quote button.

It's just easier for me to organize my thoughts if i do one at a time. But also... I can't figure out how to use that multi-quote thing. Help?