She sounds like she uses nitrous oxide for mouthwash. I hate it.

i'm not really a fan of her work with VU, but a few of her solo albums are wonderful. John Cale's production suits her voice much better than Warhol's, The Marble Index is probably my favorite.

I see vu and nico as consisting of a bunch of really interesting techniques and ideas, but not much beyond that. I don't mind it, but I can understand people dismissing it as pretentious garbage. I preffered the self-titled and white light a lot more----they seemed less under the mentorship of artsy fartsy people with money to burn.

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Somebody please explain this to me because i still don't get it. It's not a bad album as such, but i really don't see why people think it's fantastic.

Put it into this context.

It was written & performed by a bunch of Guns n Roses / Clash fanboys

Lyrics, lyrics, and lyrics. Not to mention those choruses tend to be really awesome :D

Richey's lyrics are pretty sweet i agree, but musically i just think it's a bland, middle-of-the-road album overall. There are some great tracks on it like She Is Suffering, but like all Manics albums there's a few good tracks then the rest are all meh. And sometimes the odd nugget of pure awesomeness like Motorcycle Emptiness.

A. Agree, the lyrics,

B. To me from note 1, even the spoken work intro, of track 1 "Yes", I was pulled in. A nice melodic but punchy yet laid-in-the-groove linear guitar line over a nice rhythm, with an odd beat in the phrase to boot, leading into a nice melodic verse and what's he singing?! Then kicks in the bridge with the added energy, still in the pocket, and the lyrics... Then the little bass lick leading into the chorus/refrain with the run-on lyrics over the six rising chords over the pedal tone. The tune's structure just rises. To me it's a great song structure and a great original sounding song. Ends with the siren guitar lick fade out. Just a great, great track to kick off the LP IMO.

C. Track 2 to me also just has a great structure. And that's really what I think is so strong throughout the LP. Great linear guitar parts littered throughout multiple sections of each song. The arrangements are great: just the drums, bass and multi-tracks guitars. A lot of angular sounding parts with inverted sounding lines shifting to three-time, three-over-two, etc.

D. Stand-out tracks like Yes, Ifwhiteamericatoldthetruth..., She's Suffering, 4 lb 7 stone, This is Yesterday...

E. Great performances from the players and the vocalist, with agreeable straight-ahead production values. No complaints there.

Not an overrated album at all IMO.

i concur. for me lyrics are just a bonus if they are good. it has to have good music to back it up. i have listened to it 3-4 times and I am yet to "get" it.

Holy Bible is one I agree with and I don't see why people think the lyrics are good, I've listened to it a few times and just don't get it, maybe it takes more listens.. some albums do but I don't rate nothing about it.