I love the stooges, I think I feel the same way you feel towards fans of the stooges as I feel to you :)

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i dont get the love it gets plz explain

Well I'm not arguing influence.

I understand that The Stooges influenced many great bands, but putting that aside I don't know what the fuss was about. Their music just sounds generic and lifeless to me for the most part.

And there's a difference between keeping it basic and simple and just plain not knowing what you're doing, The Ramones may have been simple but they weren't incompetent and without discipline.

The Stooges were so sloppy and disorganized that I can't really take their music seriously, they weren't exactly tasteful either, there was a lot of wanking around, tuneless jams that went on forever, I don't know why that's suddenly cool just because it's mediocre musicians doing it.

Sure, punk bands may not be virtuoso musicians, but at the very least, there's structure involved.

Yeah, I was gonna' go there, but I got distracted.
adding to your point. To say that the clash had no influence on today's music and then to contrast that statement by saying that The Stooges had a more of an influence then The Clash is just poo. Good ol' curbside variety unadulterated poo.

God I've missed this place. :wave:

No I still think it's a good album, and not one that should be so easily flung into the generic rap metal pile. It's just been played out by every inbred chromosome anomaly that made way too many connections between RATM, Limp Bizkit, and who they thought there daddy might be this week.

That's what the other guy was saying, not me.

Now I really dig The Clash. And my problem with The Stooges isn't that they were not technically gifted musicians, it's because they weren't gifted and yet went way way way beyond their limits as a band, doing extended jams and long guitar solos that come off as just atonal racket.

Even when Sonic Youth and King Crimson did long and noisy pieces, there was still structure behind it, with The Stooges everything just seems completely random and spur of the moment.

Now a lot of great musicians had that kinda approach, but because The Stooges weren't great musicians, what I'm left with at least, is just a bunch of aimless f*cking around.

The Clash were not technical greats but for the most part they knew their limitations, even when they began experimenting with other genres of music. And that's really all a good musician is required to be, you can experiment, but know your limitations and do what you know how to do.

Agreed.

same here, i still play that album today. Freedom is killer.

...I'll admit that "we will fall" is aimless-even iggy disowned it. I pretty much love the rest of the stooges stuff with all my heart. They were sloppy, but great. It has nothing to do with hype like you seem to be implying. There a mixture of a lot of stuff that I love:james brown, 60's garage rock, grating noise etc....and remember the stooges were reviled when they first came out, but people started appreciating them over time.