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True, but weither you want to admit it or not, some fanboy scumbags can ruin a persons enjoyment for a certain band....Im a fan of Rush, Iron Maiden, Primus and Pearl Jam, but i have grown to like them less than i used to because their fans make me sick, and associating myself with them is a embarassment, i know its pathetic to let other people influence how you listen to music, but meh...The Who, Black Sabbath and Bob Dylan fans can also be total ****holess.

I would dislike DT no matter what, but the fact that most of their fans have been proven to be elitist snobs and complete jerks even causes me to dislike them more.

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How witty of you.

Last time I checked, that's two more kinds of prog than Yes play.

Yeah, I forgot you needed to be old-school and predictable melodies to have life in your music. I tell ya what's good old school prog that does have life in it? “The Court of the Crimson King...” and there's a few Genesis and Floyd examples, but besides that, it'd be hard for me to think of any.

Once again you're arguing about taste, you sure know how to argue. You have already implied that “Yes have sold way more records,” subtly by constantly referring to their popularity and now you care about having radio hits? Your musical taste is starting to worry me more and more.

Why is your opinion more valid than mine? That's the stupidest thing you've said thus far.

See? You can't deny that it looks as if you need your favourite bands to be influential and important. Certainly helps in what?? In your taste I believe, because it certainly doesn't help in showing that Yes make more enjoyable music than DT, and you've already admitted that yourself. lol you're just going around in circles.

Because you compared prog to prog metal, why else?

Then I guess another simple fact is that without The Beatles there would be no Yes...what's your point again?


I don't get how my taste has anything to do with disrespecting them. Of course I respect them, but in a more plausible way, i.e I have bought all their albums and am not in denial about their importance to DT.

Nice factual statement there, remind me to book you into my debate team.

It's a personal connection for everyone, so you can't tell me I'm wrong for saying that the pieces you find to be emotional are emotionless.

God, fine you don't have to like it, but at least admit you were wrong in saying that Petrucci doesn't feel emotion with his music, it's not that ****ing hard to see it. You call my favourite ever guitar solo “pretty crappy,” and then you're the one ****ing complaining about me hating CttE and other Yes crap??? ****ing hell, you're one stubborn and moronic kid. You remind me of someone who once they believe something to be true, they won't let anyone in the world to tell them they're wrong, even if they present them with a factual document. Sorta like people thinking that Mercury is the hottest planet in our solar system of that Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain on Earth.

I thought long and hard about a rebuttal to this...and here it is:
Petrucci > Howe. Oh yeah, man I rule.

I don't see how a lay person would find Anderson (for argument sake) to be less boring than LaBrie. You've already admitted that Anderson isn't a great singer, so how bout you explain to me what's so good about his singing (or melodies) in “And You And I” (I think that was the example you gave).

I never once said he's the “most skilled drummer in hard rock.” In fact a few posts ago, I said he wasn't so great. But incidentally he has won many best prog drummer of the year awards.

But my point was that MP is more competent in theory.

Name one. If you don't know theory, you shouldn't even be classified as a musician.

If I was a ten year old, it'd be more embarrassing for you, 'cause that'd mean that a kiddy can write, spell and argue better than you.
And too much free time on my hands? Who's the one who has 2000+ posts on here, and apparently is a member of 20+ music forums??

Even if it was a fact that DT are boring and emotionless, I could have sworn Dream Theater weren't the only band I liked...

Don

Oh wow, the ignorance has now grown into a beanstalk. Let me, if you will, paste an anayls regarding Dream Theater's “Metropolis.”:

This is an analysis of one of the most elaborate stories ever written in song format: the Metropolis series by Dream Theater

John Petrucci first wrote Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper in 1991 as part of the Images and Words album. A major theme of the story was that the three Dances — Death, Deceit, and Love — go on for eternity. Because of this feeling of neverendingness, he decided to entitle the song Part 1, even though he never had any intention of making a second part.

“The Smile of Dawn arrived early May
She carried a gift from her home”

We are introduced to Metropolis, not yet called by its name. We are immediately given a feeling that Metropolis is friendly and innocent, and offering the gift of love. In Part 1, Metropolis is a city that is sometimes talked about figuratively as a woman. In Part 2, she will be a woman (Victoria) that is talked about figuratively as a city.

“The Night shed a tear
To tell her of fear
And of sorrow and pain she'll never outgrow”

Although it is unknown who or what the Night symbolizes, it is clearly something that foretells the coming events. We are told here that Metropolis will be afraid and in pain, and that her life will end before it is resolved.

“Death is the first Dance, eternal”

This is the first reference to the three Dances of Eternity, which establish the theme for the Metropolis story. The three Dances of Eternity are, in order: Death, Deceit, and Love. These are the forces that the three figures of the story — The Miracle, the Sleeper, and Metropolis — will be forced to struggle with for all of eternity.

“There's no more freedom
The both of you will be confined
To this mind”
Both the Miracle and the Sleeper will be set on winning the love of Metropolis, and they will be unable to escape it.

“I was told there's a miracle
For each day that I tried”

This is the Miracle talking. He is called the Miracle because it seems as though he succeeds at whatever he decides to pursue.

“I was told there's a new love that's born
Through each one that has died”

This line is repeated in Part 2 when Edward decides to pursue Victoria after she and Julian had a fight. Likewise, the Miracle will pursue Metropolis when it starts to drift away from the Sleeper.

“I was told there'd be no one to call on
When I feel alone and afraid”

The Miracle has always been self-sufficient and has never had to rely on anyone before. If he was to fail at something, he wouldn't know where to turn. This provides background that leads up to the decision he makes when Metropolis returns to the Sleeper.

“I was told if you dream of the next world
You'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire”
This literally means that if you dream of heaven, you'll get hell. If you try to obtain something that is forbidden to you, you will suffer for it eternally. This is more foreshadowing.

“As a child, I thought I could live without pain
Without sorrow”

Now the Sleeper is narrating. He used to live a sheltered life, rather spoiled, and never really got in touch with reality. He is called the Sleeper because he never pursued anything for himself.

“As a man, I've found it's all caught up with me.
I'm asleep, yet I'm so afraid”
He is now given responsibilities that he doesn't know how to handle. He tries to escape from reality, but it just makes the problem worse. This is what drives Metropolis away from him.

“Somewhere, like a scene from a memory
There's a picture worth a thousand words
Eluding stares from faces before me
It hides away and will never be heard of again”

We're back to the Miracle, and he pictures himself taking Metropolis from the Sleeper. He feels that he is somehow destined to do this, but at the same time he's ashamed for his thoughts. He tries to hide his feelings from everyone.

“Deceit is the Second without end”

Here we're told the second Dance of Eternity: Deceit. The Miracle will betray his brother and take Metropolis for himself.

“The city's cold blood teaches us to survive
Just keep my heart in your eyes and we'll stay alive”

The Sleeper realizes that he's losing Metropolis. He decides that he has to wake up and fight for it. He asks Metropolis to give him another chance and that everything will be alright.

“The Third arrives”

This is the third Dance of Eternity, which we will be told is love.

“Before the leaves have fallen
Before we lock the doors
There must be the third and last Dance
This one will last forever”

Metropolis has returned to the Sleeper. However, before the story is over, love will come into play once more. Love is a force that will never go away.

“Metropolis watches and thoughtfully smiles
She's taken you to your home”

The Miracle and the Sleeper are both strongly in love with Metropolis, and it touches the darkest parts of their hearts. They will fight for the love, and it will destroy them both.

“It can only take place when the struggle between our children has ended
Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know
That the Third is Love
Love is the Dance of Eternity”

Metropolis will never be free until the Dances of Eternity are stopped. Love will forever lead them all to ruin

(By David Hammond, and here's the link discussing Metropolis part 2 as well: http://nanobox.chipx86.com/blog/2004...-analysis.php).

So what was it you said again? DT “blend random words together to make it sound like they are being deep, when really they are not.“ lol. And that is just ONE example. “Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence” is a forty-two minute epic, which is even more complex and meaningful. And all you did was say that Yes sing about a war or whatever, that's pretty hysterical. And the fact that I know what Yes are singing about most of the time, and believe me, it's not half as complex or as interesting than what DT sing about.

Don

We both know the bass it's good, but it's not overly impressive.

Who's the one changing their mind now? I recall you saying that you couldn't understand why I don't like Yes because I like DT. And “boring, emotionless and direction-less?” can someone reading this please tell me what they think of that Hollow Years link I've referred to several times? If they think it's emotionless or whatever, then I'll be concerned.

The strings in “Toxic” are great and um...what was I saying? Yeah, once again you've “flop-flopped,” as you put it, because first you said Yes are inaccessible and now you're saying that being catchy is a part of being good.

Nah, Bruce ****inson's pretty great. I recall saying Anderson's voice is also weak and fragile, way to ignore that part.

Do you even read what you type? Rehashed harmonies?? lol everyone does the typical major 4th or 5th harmonies. But my point was just saying that DT have made good harmonies, but you just bring it back to an issue about originality again. And you ignored my ACoS question, so I'm guessing you haven't heard it. It's generally regarded as DT's greatest piece so complaining about DT without hearing that epic masterpiece is close to blasphemy.

And yet, you don't know the difference between the key a song's in and time signatures??? Fire your teacher, then sue them.

I didn't know someone can be a dumbass for using hyperbole as a form of satire.

Wow, again you're so witty! I wish I could be like you, and just be locked away in an ignorant world where everyone must like what I like because there isn't another possiblity. But to answer your question: I remember telling you I've heard every Yes album, so I think that means I've heard it? Oh wait a second, no I haven't because my Relayer album didn't contain the first track for some reason.


Later on you say you've heard all of DT's albums though. So now being a liar has been added to your repertoire

Again, helps what? Someone's taste? And you keep saying you like Yes for the music...

You can't rebut me on a point which I wasn't arguing with you on. You explicitly said: “they[DT] arent doing anything that practicly every other 70s prog band hasnt done before."

So you're basically crucifying DT for being 20 years younger than Yes. Let's all be like you and only like bands who are innovative, how fun and close-minded.

Ermmm, what's annoying about him? The fact that he has talent and expresses himself in a different way than most of your fav bands besides Symphony X?...Romeo's style is quite similar to Petrucci's (although obviously more like Malmtseen's) and he loves Petrucci, so go figure.

Nice logic there, I hope you aren't in school, because that'd be a waste of everyone's time, effort, and money.

Then don't reply to this, just swallow your pride

boo boo

I thought we were calling it quits?...You just had to lure me back in.

Yeah...Because Time And A Word, Fragile, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Going For The One and Drama all sound exactly the same.

And besides...Dream Theater are Neo prog?...Give me a break, thats merely a term that was used to discribe 80s prog bands who only immitated 70s prog bands, further proving Dream Theaters total lack of originality...Going from boring prog metal to just boring prog is not my idea of versatility.

Hah, first you call Yes melodys random and then you say they are predictable, they cant be both.

And Dream Theater is nothing but old school...I mean god, do you REALLY thinking what they are doing is totally original and groundbreaking?...C'mon.

A few???

Gentle Giant and VDDG both have more life in their music than Dream Theater, with some humor thrown in.

I never said i wanted to make a issue out of it, thats why i said i wouldnt, are you dyslexic or something?..Whats the deal?

Well, first hand, i listen to a lot more music than just prog metal, or prog for that matter...Prog metal is all you ever talk about...It gives hints to how open minded you are as a musicgoer.

NO IT DOSENT, STOP MAKING THIS CRAP UP.

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No band comes close to The Flaming Lips when it comes to importance.

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I believe this is the first time "Dream Theater" and "Enjoyable" has ever been used in the same sentence.

Prog itself is a much more diverse genre.

That The Beatles are both better and greater than Yes...Duh.

Calling them a horrible band is disrespectful no matter what you want to call it.

Screw you, i have said it a billion f*cking times, i dont think Yes are better because of their importance, i think they make better music, i was using their influence as a objective example and it went over your head completely, i have been merely using their importance as a example.

You freak out everytime i call Dream Theater emotionless.

But i dont think i am...Im sticking to my guns on this one.

Dont call me a kid, im older than you are.

Because you certainly proved me wrong with your super valid points.

Most of the things you have said has been pretty far from factual.

Me > Petrucci.

Maybe because hes in a less boring band.

And hes still better than Labrie.

Im just saying its better than anything Labrie has done.

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I'm just going to say this because I like arguing with Don... it seems a reasonable pastime.

Mt. Everest IS the tallest mountain on Earth, when 'tallest' means height above sea-level. This is the usual way to describe height for mountains. You can redefine the boundaries to say another mountain is higher (underwater mountains etc.) but, by the normal definition, Everest IS the tallest mountain on Earth.

Bearing that in mind, can you explain the point you were trying to make in the phrase I have quoted?

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Jesus christ shutup.

I swear you two were arguing the same shit last week. You won't win by running around in circles. You can't beat each other.

On a side note, theres a difference in the emotion a musician shows and the emotion the listener can hear. When you're listening to DT on the stereo, you can't see the emotion. Petrucci could be having a mental fit of pure effort in the recording studio, but if his guitar is speaking monotone the listener doesn't give two shits.

Thats the reason so many dislike DT. The band may put in unfathomable amounts of emotion personally but the music does nothing to convey it. Thats what it feels like to listen to DT. They are good musicians, I accept that, but their music lacks serious impact. Why can't they play with that level of skill but add some flair. DT don't have flair. The day they can take me by suprise will be the day I like Dream Theater.

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The usual way to describe the height for mountains is using the word 'HIGH' not 'TALL', silly noob, where do you think the word height comes from? lol

DontRunMeOver

EDIT: The word 'TALL' does not feature in my post. How can you complain against my use of a word I did not use? Put the spade down, get out of that hole and answer the question.

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I believe you said "tallest," sorry for deriving tall from that.

The point I was making was an obvious one; that it's so hard to convince someone that they're wrong when they believe something. And I used those two examples as an analogy because they are frequently mistaken for facts for whatever reasons.