MB's greatest common factor (hardcore, indie, pop, punk, rock)

sleepy jack · 02-05-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by swim

I already said it was the best year for emo and mathrock. Hardcore not living up to it's ancesters? Hardcore was forming tons of new sounds during the 90s and was as diverse as the genre has ever been.

Bob Tilton-Crescent
Don Martin Three-Fire As Metaphor
Rights Reserved-S/T
VA-I can't Live without it
Jawbox-S/T
Griver-S/T
Breakwater/Closure
Republic of Freedom Fighters-S/t
Griver/hellbender
Action Patrol-B is for Bombard
Bells on Trike-s/t, Best indiemo album ever.

+If You're Feeling Sinister
On the Avery Island
Odelay
Under the Bushes Under the Stars
Mic City Sons
Being There
The Normal Years
This is a Long Drive For Someone with Nothing to Think About
Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Murder Ballads
All the Nations Airports
Fuzzy Logic
Emperor Tomato Ketchup
Tigermilk
The Natural Bridge
Casanova
Beautiful Freak

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

That was exactly my point. And it came off like posturing. Age has a few things to do with it.

I was born in 1982. I don't own many (if any) albums from that year, or the years around it, and have no desire to, regardless of how solid the album is, go back a lay down a slick $20 to grab up something I can get whenever. I think at a young age you aren't open to most things that have long since past and given the way CD run up against your wallet, i'd say that dropping $20 on a nirvana cd is a little much to ask.

And despite whatever arguments may arise, the album is great and because of that those wanting to distance themselves from the unwashed masses will deny to no end their love for it. Look back through these pages to see exactly what I mean.

If you seriously are suggesting that its a watered down album, then what you're going to end up doing to save face is conclude that these are all opinions that cannot be argued. But we've been down that road and I think if we're being reasonable, Nevermind is not your cup of tea, but is, by and large, a great album. Solid at the very least.

And I can't even blame swim alone for this, the money hungry journalists who are starved for something to write about brought up the carnage-fetish, B-side of Tattoo You loving heathens to write a contrary article to fill the pages of many a shill magazine (I'm looking at you Spin). When the "Ten years since Nevermind" hype ended and they needed to blow Nirvana some more i remamber one article being titled:

"Bollacks to Nevermind, Here's In Utero"

You can imagine that how the column went after a title like that. I certainly think there are some missteps on Nevermind, and I'd never say its perfect, nor do I listen to it on any sort of a regular basis, but I don't think its fair to say its sub par and above all else, it stands to be a heavy contender for oojay's original question.

The funny thing about this post is Kurt Cobain himself grew to hate Nevermind he even said it was just a good pop album but for his listening pleasures it was far too produced and slick. He even said In Utero was the album that he'd always wanted to achieve because it captured the noise in his head and he was very proud of it. He even fought pretty tooth and nail with his record company on keeping it in the original format (which I imagine was much more, well Albiniesque than what we hear) though he eventually lost. So yeah it's pretty safe to say that people were bashing Nevermind and praising In Utero long before you made some pointlessly long pretentious post based off an article you read.

P.S. its bullocks, but bullacks.

GravitySlips · 02-06-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swim

I already said it was the best year for emo and mathrock. Hardcore not living up to it's ancesters? Hardcore was forming tons of new sounds during the 90s and was as diverse as the genre has ever been.

Bob Tilton-Crescent
Don Martin Three-Fire As Metaphor
Rights Reserved-S/T
VA-I can't Live without it
Jawbox-S/T
Griver-S/T
Breakwater/Closure
Republic of Freedom Fighters-S/t
Griver/hellbender
Action Patrol-B is for Bombard
Bells on Trike-s/t, Best indiemo album ever.

if you've not heard it, I recommend...

Unwound - Repetition

amazing amazing album from '96.

Comus · 02-05-2008, 08:13 PM

Great (or even remotely good) hardcore started and ended with Black Flag and Dead Kennedys

swim · 02-05-2008, 08:21 PM

Early 80s hardcore is easily the worst hardcore there is. I mean I like it but it doesn't compare to Assay, Impetus Inter or Ettil Vrye.

MURDER JUNKIE · 02-06-2008, 09:18 AM

I personally don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one of these in their collection:

A Beastie Boys Album
A Ramones Album
A Clash Album
A Johnny Cash Album

I believe that this is achievable for most people and is not too much to ask

jackhammer · 02-07-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MURDER JUNKIE

I personally don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one of these in their collection:

A Beastie Boys Album
A Ramones Album
A Clash Album
A Johnny Cash Album

I believe that this is achievable for most people and is not too much to ask

I have to disagree here. Before I begin my defense I have albums by all four (7 in total). Beastie Boys are a very acquired taste. They garnered a reputation in the mid/late 80's as a frat boy rock band using hip hop vocal delivery. Of course this is definitely not the case, and it is a rare case of producer Rick Rubin trying to steer the band in an uncomfortable direction. Their roots are in punk hardcore and Hip Hop. However they are not as revered as they should be (especialy in Britain).

A lot of people dislike the pop music formulae that The Ramones were so good at. Their music is dismissed as 2 minute workouts that all sound the same.

I am not saying that it is right. Every fooker should have at least a Clash album in their collection lol.

I think what we WANT people to own and what they actually have is vastly different and the number of artists that are common factors are definitely less than double figures.

swim · 02-06-2008, 11:31 AM

Local used cd stores are your friend.

swim · 02-06-2008, 12:19 PM

Age doesn't really dictate people's taste. At least not people who are trying to constantly to find new music. Which I'd say most people here are. And I'd say most people here have at least listened to Nevermind front to back -opinions of it aside. The comment was related. I was saying that my favorite year of music was when I was 5 years old in contrast to what you said were the patterns of your tastes. Just because when you were born has influence over what you listen to doesn't mean that it does for most people here. It was related I don't see what's wrong with expanding the conversation beyond the topic if it still relates to music and the point I was making. I didn't start a discussion about whole step scales in use of dream sequences for movies or anything.

TheBig3 · 02-06-2008, 04:06 PM

Well you’ll note that I never said it dictated their taste. I even went so far as to say that I liked music from that era but didn’t see the use in going back and dropping a $20. I mean to be honest I don’t know what came out in 1982 just as you didn’t know that Aeroplane came out in ’96. But that’s not the point, and it wasn’t what I was saying.

Statistics alone, people are going to be less likely to buy anything roughly ten years before they have an awareness of music as something that’s engaging and 15 years before they join the workforce and can afford things for themselves.

People digress, and that happens on a regular basis, occasionally it saves a wasted thread, but we’re not talking about a digression, and I think it would be a stretch if I called it spam, because while it may fit the textual definition (may, not does) it doesn’t constitute spam in spirit. But to suggest that those albums, with all the metal-only heathens that populate the R&M forum, and the mainstream radio loving lounge lizards, tell me something honestly, did you think everyone here owned a built to spill album?

Nosmada · 02-06-2008, 04:10 PM

albums suggestions like nevermind, make alot of sense, for one the average age of people on this site, benefits, and also the amount of albums that it sold some 26+ million copies.

02-05-2008, 08:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	Early 80s hardcore is easily the worst hardcore there is. I mean I like it but it doesn't compare to Assay, Impetus Inter or Ettil Vrye. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-06-2008, 11:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	Local used cd stores are your friend. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-06-2008, 12:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,145	Age doesn't really dictate people's taste. At least not people who are trying to constantly to find new music. Which I'd say most people here are. And I'd say most people here have at least listened to Nevermind front to back -opinions of it aside. The comment was related. I was saying that my favorite year of music was when I was 5 years old in contrast to what you said were the patterns of your tastes. Just because when you were born has influence over what you listen to doesn't mean that it does for most people here. It was related I don't see what's wrong with expanding the conversation beyond the topic if it still relates to music and the point I was making. I didn't start a discussion about whole step scales in use of dream sequences for movies or anything. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

02-06-2008, 04:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	Well you’ll note that I never said it dictated their taste. I even went so far as to say that I liked music from that era but didn’t see the use in going back and dropping a $20. I mean to be honest I don’t know what came out in 1982 just as you didn’t know that Aeroplane came out in ’96. But that’s not the point, and it wasn’t what I was saying. Statistics alone, people are going to be less likely to buy anything roughly ten years before they have an awareness of music as something that’s engaging and 15 years before they join the workforce and can afford things for themselves. People digress, and that happens on a regular basis, occasionally it saves a wasted thread, but we’re not talking about a digression, and I think it would be a stretch if I called it spam, because while it may fit the textual definition (may, not does) it doesn’t constitute spam in spirit. But to suggest that those albums, with all the metal-only heathens that populate the R&M forum, and the mainstream radio loving lounge lizards, tell me something honestly, did you think everyone here owned a built to spill album? __________________ I've moved to a new address

02-06-2008, 09:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
MURDER JUNKIE The Wetter The Better!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SH1TTY London Ontario Canada Posts: 2,484	I personally don't trust anybody who doesn't have at least one of these in their collection: A Beastie Boys Album A Ramones Album A Clash Album A Johnny Cash Album I believe that this is achievable for most people and is not too much to ask

02-06-2008, 04:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nosmada Holding Back The River Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 240	albums suggestions like nevermind, make alot of sense, for one the average age of people on this site, benefits, and also the amount of albums that it sold some 26+ million copies.