Frances

How can anybody hate him? He's on Thomas the Tank Engine!

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Music Man

Huh?!

Paul's "Eleanor Rigby" and "Yesterday" were two of the most powerful and engaging songs in music history.

As for referring to "Helter Skelter" as fun and addictive, I'm not too sure. It's an undisputed fact that "Helter" was the primary song that influenced Charles Manson and his "family" to go on their infamous murder rampage in the 60's.

Many hardcore Beatles fans consider "Helter" to be the most powerful song on the White album.

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Music Man

I don't hate Ringo. I could actually care less about Ringo.

Please provide us with a list of Beatles songs that you allege were written primarily or exclusively by Ringo. It will be a very short list indeed.

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boo boo

Don't Pass My By
Octopus's Garden

Yeah thats about it. Both are silly but likable songs.

But that dosen't really matter. Ringo wrote most of his drum parts, and his drum parts were distinctive and vital to the bands sound, even if thats all he did, he was still an important contributor to The Beatles.

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sleepy jack

edit: boo boo already said them

And if you could care less why are you so apt to prove he was such a terrible drummer? The Beatles were no ones until he joined them, and I don't understand how someone could listen to Rain and go "mediocre drummer" or look at all the drummers hes influenced and say "mediocre drummer."

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boo boo

Yeah, almost every major label turned The Beatles down pre Ringo. And I'm pretty sure the primary reason was because Pete Best was a f*cking horrible drummer who couldn't even keep time.

As for Ringos influence, well. Danny Carey and Mike Portnoy both credit Ringo as influences. And those guys know a thing or two about drumming. He also used several techniques that were innovative for the time, like down tuning, sizzle cymbals and muffling devices. He also popularized the matching grip, before The Beatles the standard drumming grip for western popular music was the traditional grip, but now most bands use the matching grip, you can thank Ringo for that.

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Music Man

Ringo got some help from George on "Octopus's Garden". So of the many Beatles original studio albums released in the USA and Britain, Ringo contributed ONE song that can be called all his own.

Actually, Ringo didn't write most of his drum parts. John and Paul usually explained to him what they wanted, and he worked it out under their direction. It's also a hard fact that on multiple occasions when Ringo's drum tracks were sub-par, Paul would go into the studio and re-record the tracks to get them right.

No less a figure than John Lennon considered McCartney to be the best Beatles drummer!

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--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

boo boo

So what? This means he wasn't an important member of the band HOW?

Well thats what drummers do. John and Paul may have given him a direction or an idea of what they wanted, but he still wrote his own parts.

Of the only songs Ringo didn't play on, which is a very ridiculous few, it was either because he wasn't available and Paul, John or George wanted to finish their songs quickly or because he walked out on the band on a few occasions due to the tensions between him and the other members.

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joyboyo53

this thread is like greenday... it just wont die.

Music Man

"So what? This means he wasn't an important member of the band HOW?"

Ringo's musical contribution to the band was insignificant. Of the many studio albums the Beatles released, he only wrote one song that can be called completely his own, and it was definitely one of the weaker songs that ever appeared on any Beatle album.

"Well thats what drummers do. John and Paul may have given him a direction or an idea of what they wanted, but he still wrote his own parts."

No, he rarely wrote his own parts. Paul and John usually told him how and what to play on each song, and he complied.

"Of the only songs Ringo didn't play on, which is a very ridiculous few, it was either because he wasn't available and Paul, John or George wanted to finish their songs quickly or because he walked out on the band on a few occasions due to the tensions between him and the other members."

One of the top members on the Apple Studios team that recorded the Beatles, revealed that on several occasions, Paul had to go in and replace Ringo's sub-par drum tracks with his own.

An interviewer once asked John Lennon if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world. A somewhat shocked and amused John promptly replied that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles!

In all the years and all the songs Ringo recorded with the Beatles, he only played ONE drum solo on ONE song! That was in the song "The End" on their final album--"Abbey Road". Not to mention that there was nothing special about the solo.

ONE mediocre song and ONE average at best drum solo in all those years and recordings with the Beatles. NOT impressive!

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"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest