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Old 12-27-2007, 06:31 PM   #471 (permalink)
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I don't think Georges solo stuff is better than Johns, but I agree that its better than Pauls. But I still think Wings have some really good stuff, and people give Paul way too much crap.

And I agree with jgd85 that John and Paul both made The Beatles what it was, so its stupid that so many Beatles fans are devided over somsething as stupid as "Whos the better songwriter?".

Paul could never write a song as powerful and engaging as Julia or as funny and complex as I Am The Walrus, at the same time John could never write a song as fun and addictive as Helter Skelter or as pretty as Blackbird. Their styles and subjects were so different, this is why they compliment each other perfectly.

And yes, George was an amazing songwriter too, its a shame that John and Paul held him back for so long.

This is just true! Paul * did* write the = of John's Julia,Let It Be about Paul's nurse midwife Mary who died from breast cancer when Paul was only 14,and he had a dream 12 years after she died and he saw her alive in this vivid dream and she told him in the dream to just accept things as they are,and he says in his authorized biography Many Years From Now by Barry Miles,that when he woke up he thought how wonderful it was to see her again,When I Find Myself In Times Of Trouble Mother Mary Comes To Me,Speaking Words Of Wisdom Let It Be,And In My Hour Of Darkness She Is Standing Right In Front Of Me Speaking Words Of Wisdom Let It Be.

And Paul wrote Maxwell's Silver Hammer which is funny in a strange way,and Rocky Racoon,Uncle Albert etc on his popular 1971 very good album Ram that everyone loves even people who are not huge Paul fans! And John wrote Oh My Love,Love,If I Fell,I'll Be Back,Julia as you mentioned Woman,Beautiful Boy,Grow Old We Me etc. As The All Music Guide says that the critical party line often champions Lennon as the angry realist rocker and McCartney as the romantic baladeer,but this is a fallacy:each of them was capable in roughly equal measures,of ballsy all-out rock and romanticism. They say what is not in dispute is that they sparked each other to reach heights that they could not attain on their own.
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:16 PM   #472 (permalink)
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I don't care if Paul can sing and play, so could George, and weither hes a better singer is debatable, but he's certainly a better guitarist.

His licks on Something, Fixing A Hole, I've Just Seen a Face, She Said He Said, I Want You (Shes So Heavy), Let It Be, Dizzy Miss Lizzy, Ticket To Ride, Hello Goodbye, Dear Prudence, Sexy Sadie, I Feel Fine, Come Together, You Never Give Me Your Money, Polythene Pam, I Me Mine. I can go on.
As I already pointed out,Paul plays great lead guitar on Ticket To Ride,as well as on Another Girl and Taxman as well as the great bass, and it's actually Paul and George on lead guitars on Fixing A Hole,and he plays every instrument by himself on his first very good solo album McCartney in late 1969 when he was only 27,and he played *so* many insstruments great! Paul and Denny Lain are the only musicians on Paul and Wings great 1973 rock album Band On The Run and Paul played bass,piano,lead and accoustic guitars and drums! Then he played every instrument again on McCartney 2 in 1979,and he plays most of the instruments on his 1997 Flaming Pie album,and his two most recent solo albums,Chaos and Creation In The Backyard and Memory Almost Full.


John Lennon plays most of the great lead guitar on his great hard rocker I Want You She's So Heavy,and he played lead for the first time on his great 1964 rocker You Can't Do That, and only John and Paul play all of the instruments on The Ballad Of John and Yoko and John is on lead guitar,and as Ken on Keno's Classic Rock n Roll site he says, John showed on Get Back why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job,and Ken also says that John played one of he first and best acid guitar parts on the great 1968 hard rocking single Revolution,and he said John also played a very good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue.

Ken runs a Rolling Stones and a John Lennon fan site,and he voted Paul McCartney #2 Greatest Rock Bass Player after John Enwistle and the fans voted Paul # 3. Ken voted John Lennon # 2 Greatest Rock Rhythm Guitar player after Keith Richards and the fans have John in a tie at # 4 with Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones.He voted John Lennon # 2 in a tie with Elvis as Greatest Rock Male Vocalist,and Paul # 6,the fans voted John # 1 and Paul # 7. And he voted John and Paul # 2 greatest rock song writers after Bob Dylan and the fans voted John and Paul # 1.

And on Rankopedia The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Artists,# 1 Greatest Rock Group,# 1 Most Innovative Rock Group,and Paul and John # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers and are also on the Greatest Rock Vocalists list and Paul McCartney is # 2 Greatest Rock Bass Player after John Entwistle John Paul Jones is # 6. And Digital Dreamdoor where many musicians post,The Beatles are # 1 Greatest Rock Artists,John and Paul are # 1 Greatest Rock Song Writers,George Harrison is # 55 out of over 100 Greatest Rock Guitarists,John and Paul are both on The Greatest Rock Male Vocalists,and Paul Mcartney is # 8 out over 100 Greatest Rock Bass Players John Paul Jones is # 21 and Bill Wynman is # 95 Ringo Star is # 47 out over 100 Greatest Rock Drummers Charlie Watts is # 53 ! Bass Player Magazine recently voted Paul # 5 Greatest Bass Player ever and # 2 Greatest creator of creative and best rock bass lines!

Eric Clapton says in an online interview called,Eric Clapton In His Own Words,that John Lennon was a pretty good guitar player and he would have known since he played live in concert with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band. And on an excellent site called,The Evolution Of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Will Lee,Sting,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are all quoted as saying what a great ,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.And The 1992 Rolling Stone Album Guide calls Paul a remarkable bass player and rightfully calls John and Paul the two greatest song writers in rock history.

Musician and song writer Peter Cross also says how John,Paul and George were all grerat guitarists,and that The Beatles are the most creative band with the largest amount of great quality,innovative songs and albums and in such a short time,and he said he as well as many other musicians consider Paul McCartney to be one of the best bass players ever! Wilkco's bassist John Stirratt says the same thing about Paul McCartney when he was asked in a 2005 Bass Player Magazine interview what bass player has had the most impact on your playing the most! Peter Cross also praises Ringo's drumming and said that John Lennon was right when he said Ringo has the best back beat in rock.

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I'm not going to bother reading all that because boo boo is right, George Harrison is a much better guitarist and musician. You can go on about how McCartney played so many instruments on his albums but his albums aren't held in anywhere near the favor that All Things Must Pass or most Harrison albums are. You know you spend most of that post just naming lists they appeared on, you really is how little those things actually matter right?
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I'm not going to bother reading all that because boo boo is right, George Harrison is a much better guitarist and musician. You can go on about how McCartney played so many instruments on his albums but his albums aren't held in anywhere near the favor that All Things Must Pass or most Harrison albums are. You know you spend most of that post just naming lists they appeared on, you really is how little those things actually matter right?
You are Very *WRONG* and biased and close minded but it really doesn't matter that much because most musicians including many well known ones recognize that Paul McCartney was the most virtuoso and great multi-instrumentalist of The Beatles! His father was a self taught accomplished jazz musician and leader of his own band that were popular in clubs in the 1930's and Paul's father was the leader of the band,Jim Mac's band and he wrote some instrumental music too! Paul inherited his father's natural musical talent to an extreme! Those lists mean a lot when many other bass greats like Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan, John Starratt etc all say that Paul McCartney is one of the best bass players ever! And the lists show most people agree! I'm sure if all of these polls had George voted as the best musician you wouldn't be denying they mean something!

On Wikipedia The Free online encyclopedia which is just one of many sources,it says that he and John Lennon formed one of the most influential and successful song writing partnerships and wrote some of the most popular songs in rock and roll and they define Paul McCartney an Academy award winning multi-instrumentalist but it doesn't describe George as a multi-instrumentalist! And you are wrong Paul McCartney's albums Band On The Run,Tug Of War,Chaos and Creation In The Back Yard,Memory Almost Full,and others have been highly acclaimed and popular,and Rolling Stone who had underrated and criticized Paul's second solo album Ram when it came out in 1971,now say that Paul's first two solo albums,McCartney and Ram are excellent and underrated!

Paul McCartney has been in The Guiness World Book Of Records since October 1979 as The Most Successful and Covered Composer of All Time Not George Harrison! And Geoff Emerick one of The Beatles innovative recording engineers criticized George Harrison's early guitar playing in his book that came out last year,Here There And Everywhere My Life Recording The Beatles and also recognizes that Paul is the better all around musician!

It's Paul playing that great lead guitar on George's Taxman and he plays that great bass too! As I said he plays great lead on Another Girl and Ticket To Ride Too! Deny it all you want most people know the truth! George and John and Paul for that matter are all underrated as guitarists!

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Old 12-27-2007, 08:13 PM   #476 (permalink)
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You are Very *WRONG* and biased and closeminded but it really doesn't matter that much because most musicians including many well known ones recognize that Paul McCartney was the most virtuoso and great multi-instrumentalist of The Beatles! His father was a self taught accomplished jazz musician and leader of his own band that were popular in clubs in the 1930's and Paul's father was the leader of the band,Jim Mac's band and he wrote some instrumental music too! Those lists mean a lot when many other bass greats like Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan John Sarratt etc all say that Paul McCartney is one of the best bass players ever! And the lists show most people agree!
What the bloody hell does his father have to do with how good of a musician Paul is? Being a super talented musician doesn't mean as much as being a good songwriter. Who's more known Bob Dylan or Steve Vai? Bob Dylan, who's the better musician? Well obviously Steve Vai, but does that make him better? Nope, George Harrison proved with his solo albums to be a much more capable songwriter than McCartney. He wrote a bunch of great songs sure but that's because he had Harrison and Lennon with him. Paul's solo career has been pretty laughable.

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On Wikipedia The Fre online encyclopedia which is just one of many sources,it defines Paul McCartney as one of the best singers,song writers
That's something that is completely subjective and isn't up for wikipedia to decide.

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and an award winning multi-instrumentalist but it does describe George as a muslti-instrumentalist!
Okay...so they're both multi-instrumentalist. That puts them on a level playing field.

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And you are wrong Paul McCartney's Band On The Run,Tug Of War,Chaos and Creation In The Back Yard,Memory Almost Full,and others have been highly acclaimed and popular,and Rolling Stone who had underrated and criticized Paul's second solo album Ram when it came out in 1971,now say that Paul's first two solo albums,McCartney and Ram are excellent and underrated!
Rolling Stone is a joke and Harrison albums still sold more and are held in higher esteem by much more credible sources.

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Paul McCartney has been in The Guiness World Book Of Records since October 1979 as The Most Successful and Covered Composer of All Time Not George Harrison!
So what? All your little Beatles fun facts really don't mean much. Just because you're covered a lot doesn't make you better than somebody else. Green Day has been covered way more thank Frank Zappa are you going to go on and say Green Days better? Also All Things Must Pass was the most successful Beatles solo album ever.

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And Geoff Emerick one of The Beatles innovative recording engineers criticized George Harrison's guitar playing in his book that came out last year,Here THere And Everywhere My Life Recording The Beatles and also recognizes that Paul is the better all around musician!
And his opinion means what? Harrison is an excellent guitar player. He's the man who wrote While My Guitar Gently Weeps and though he didn't play it it's generally considered one of the best solos ever. McCartney didn't write a guitar piece that iconic did he?

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It's Paul playing that great lead guitar on George's Taxman and he plays that great bass too! AS I said he plays great lead on Another Girl and Ticket To Ride Too! Deny it all you want most people know the truth!
Yeah I never said he played on them now did I?

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George and John and Paul for that matter are all underrated as gitarists!
I disagree with that, I think they're all rated pretty fairly guitarist wise.
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I said that Wikipedia was only one of many sources etc! I gave a lot of other strong great sources of information besides Wikipedia and almost all of my information came from other better sources so no I didn't fail anything except to get through to your biased close mind!
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What the bloody hell does his father have to do with how good of a musician Paul is? Being a super talented musician doesn't mean as much as being a good songwriter. Who's more known Bob Dylan or Steve Vai? Bob Dylan, who's the better musician? Well obviously Steve Vai, but does that make him better? Nope, George Harrison proved with his solo albums to be a much more capable songwriter than McCartney. He wrote a bunch of great songs sure but that's because he had Harrison and Lennon with him. Paul's solo career has been pretty laughable.



That's something that is completely subjective and isn't up for wikipedia to decide.



Okay...so they're both multi-instrumentalist. That puts them on a level playing field.



Rolling Stone is a joke and Harrison albums still sold more and are held in higher esteem by much more credible sources.



So what? All your little Beatles fun facts really don't mean much. Just because you're covered a lot doesn't make you better than somebody else. Green Day has been covered way more thank Frank Zappa are you going to go on and say Green Days better? Also All Things Must Pass was the most successful Beatles solo album ever.



And his opinion means what? Harrison is an excellent guitar player. He's the man who wrote While My Guitar Gently Weeps and though he didn't play it it's generally considered one of the best solos ever. McCartney didn't write a guitar piece that iconic did he?



Yeah I never said he played on them now did I?



I disagree with that, I think they're all rated pretty fairly guitarist wise.
Paul McCartney has 13 Grammy's and an honorary doctorate in music from the Univesity of Sussex decades ago,and this!!!!

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What the bloody hell does his father have to do with how good of a musician Paul is? Being a super talented musician doesn't mean as much as being a good songwriter. Who's more known Bob Dylan or Steve Vai? Bob Dylan, who's the better musician? Well obviously Steve Vai, but does that make him better? Nope, George Harrison proved with his solo albums to be a much more capable songwriter than McCartney. He wrote a bunch of great songs sure but that's because he had Harrison and Lennon with him. Paul's solo career has been pretty laughable.



That's something that is completely subjective and isn't up for wikipedia to decide.



Okay...so they're both multi-instrumentalist. That puts them on a level playing field.



Rolling Stone is a joke and Harrison albums still sold more and are held in higher esteem by much more credible sources.



So what? All your little Beatles fun facts really don't mean much. Just because you're covered a lot doesn't make you better than somebody else. Green Day has been covered way more thank Frank Zappa are you going to go on and say Green Days better? Also All Things Must Pass was the most successful Beatles solo album ever.



And his opinion means what? Harrison is an excellent guitar player. He's the man who wrote While My Guitar Gently Weeps and though he didn't play it it's generally considered one of the best solos ever. McCartney didn't write a guitar piece that iconic did he?



Yeah I never said he played on them now did I?



I disagree with that, I think they're all rated pretty fairly guitarist wise.


Well of course you you think that they are all rated pretty fairly as guitarists because you *underrate* John and Paul as guitar players! Eric Clapton saying John was a pretty good guitar player and he would know since he played live in concert with John as a member of his 1969 Plastic Ono Band,doesn't mean anything either! He's just generally considered one of the guitar greats thats all!

And Paul having a very naturally musically talented father who was a self taught accomplished jazz pianist and leader of his own jazz band that were popular in clubs in Liverpool,and that he even wrote his own instrumental music, means the obvious that Paul inherited his father's same natural musical talent but to the extreme! I found an online article saying the same thing that I've said for a long time,that music because of his father is in his blood he was born extremely musicially talented and thats where he got it!!

Paul has five prestigious Ivor Novello awards and he holds the record for the largest stadium audience in history when 184,000 Brazillions paid to see him in concert at The Maracana Stadium in Rio de Janerio in April 1990 and the world record for the fastest ticket sales in history when 20,000 tickets sold out in 8 minutes for two shows in 1993. Paul also has a lifetime Achievement grammy award and in he was the first rock musician to recieve Chile's Order of Merit for services to music,peace and human understanding and in 1992 he was the first one to be awarded The Swedish Polar Music award which is the nobel prize for music! Yeah his music career is pretty laughable!

And Bob Dylan who I see you are a fan of,just recently said in a Spring Rolling Stone interview that he's in awe of Paul McCartney and that he is the only one he is in awe of! Bob Dylan said Paul has the melody,he's got the rhythm ,he can sing the ballad as good as anyone and he can play any instrument! He said there were no better singers than John Lennon and Paul McCartney. He did also say that he believes that George Harrison would have emerged as a song writer in his own right if he wasn't stuck behind John and Paul,but then Bob said who wouldn't get stuck?

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Singer/songwriter Fran Healy of the band Travis was named Songwriter of the Year and picked up his second award for Best Contemporary Song, "Why Does It Always Rain On Me."

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All those music awards shows are about as credible as a beauty pageant.

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Well of course you you think that they are all rated pretty fairly as guitarists because you *underrate* John and Paul as guitar players! Eric Clapton saying John was a pretty good guitar player and he would know since he played live in concert with John as a member of his 1969 Plastic Ono Band,doesn't mean anything either! He's just generally considered one of the guitar greats thats all!
Actually George Harrison is one of my favorite guitar players ever and I rated him number 3 (behind Hendrix and Prince) on my greatest guitar albums list. The reason I don't rate Paul and John so high is simple, they weren't as good.

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And Paul having a very naturally musically talented father who was a self taught accomplished jazz pianist and leader of his own jazz band that were popular in clubs in Liverpool,and that he even wrote his own instrumental music, means the obvious that Paul inherited his father's same natural musical talent but to the extreme! I found an online article saying the same thing that I've said for a long time,that music because of his father is in his blood he was born extremely musicially talented and thats where he got it!!
That's all bullshit, talent is something you earn, it's not something you're born into. Look at Sean Lennon or Jakob Dylan, they're good but nothing special especially in comparison to their fathers. Oh I have an even better example look at Kelly Osbourne.

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Paul has five Novello awards and he holds the record for the largest stadium audience in history when 184,000 Brazillions paid to see him in concert at The Maracana Stadium in Rio de Janerio in April 1990 and the world record for the fastest ticket sakes in history when 20,000 tickets sold out in 8 minutes for two shows in 1993. Paul also has a lifetime Achievement grammy award and in he was the first rock musician to recieve Chile's Order of Merit for services to music,peace and human understanding and in 1992 he was the first one to be awarded The Swedish Polar Music award which is the nobel prize for music!
Britney Spears also sold out stadiums all the time back in her day and as I said before those music awards aren't credible sources for great musicians. Madonna was recently inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame for fucks sake.

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And Bob Dylan who I see you are a fan of,just recently said in a Spring Rolling Stone interview that he's in awe of Paul McCartney and that he is the only one he is in awe of! Bob Dylan said Paul has the melody,he's got the rhythm ,he can sing the ballad as good as anyone and he can play any instrument! He said there were no better singers than John Lennon and Paul McCartney. He did also say that he believes that George Harrison would have emerged as a song writer in his own right if he wasn't stuck behind John and Paul,but then Bob said who wouldn't get stuck?
George Harrison was "stuck" behind Lennon and McCartney because they were egotistical assholes, not because he wasn't a good songwriter.
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