cardboard adolescent

The pop market vs.... the pop market?

lucylamppost

Lol sorry I mean there market audience

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sleepy jack

Teenage girls in the 80s Vs. teenage girls in the 90s?

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cardboard adolescent

mj is for everybody
(but little boys especially)

lucylamppost

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Thats a thread just waiting to happen

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lucylamppost

Yeah I am getting out of this conversation well I can because its just pointless next think will start talking about how much prince is not a creative genies

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mjscarousal

You've never stated that. The only thing you said along those lines was that all 80's music is not all good which we both agreed on. Its good that you finally said something that was real and tru


You don't need to skool me on what criticism is. Whats goin down here is ignorant childish criticism thats backed up with no intelligent reasons and biased explanations. How can you honestly unbiasely criticise something when you already have your mind made up? How can you criticise something when ur not lol really listening to the lyrics and paying attention to whats being said? No... your so busying trying to figure out a lame a$$ reason out of air as to why the song/ lyrics suck when you haven't even sat down and really listened to it.

There you go assuming ish again but where is that person that feels the same way? You never answered my question and your not proving ur point. How did those lyrics suck? Plse explain. All ur saying is that there bad lyrics. I'm pretty sure there are people on here feeling the lyrics to(I mean they are good lyrics). The lyrics don't appeal to YOU once again. Bro it can go both ways.

I see ur taste and I see why u feel the way you do. I'm just saying be a lil accepting of other good music. Open your mind up and stop being so opionated. You don't never have to accept garbage. I mean ultimately its all up to the person and how they feel about a song. I'm not sucking up to ur a$$ lol real talk ... Nice lyrics.

Well then don't ask a question like he doesn't play instruments when you looked up for yourself that he does. Why do u need to know what instruments his played to prove his played instruments? Just because it doesn't say doesn't mean he doesn't. That all depends on the source but it is tru but since u care so much. He plays the piano, drums, guitar etc. He played the drum and guitar for his song "Morphine". He played Rhythm Guitar on his song "Give In To Me" along side Slash. Alot of you people here underestimate MJ's talents and abilities because you don't listen to his music. Your just judging it off of lol "credible sources" and what YOU want to believe. You need to buy his music and look at the booklets. Look at the producer, arranger, composer section and you'll see that Michael Jackson producers, arranges, composes,writes his own ish or just look it up on the internet.

sleepy jack

I never stated it because it never came up.


Thats what this forum is for, biased explanation or as I like to call them opinions.

How do you know I wasn't doing any of that? I listened to the song, I read the lyrics they're not good. Michael Jackson doesn't write good lyrics, end of. I write frequently and read better writers than him on a regular basis, I hear better writes than him on a daily basis. Morrissey, Bob Dylan, Conor Oberst, Jeff Mangum, Will Sheff and my more recent favorite Richey James all these guys are strong lyricist that write songs that actually mean something.

There's a certain amount of objectivity when it comes to lyrics that can't be denied. Some things are just bad, those are bad. The rhyming is forced, the approach is cliche, it doesn't sound very intelligent at all and it doesn't sound very articulate. A five year old could write lyrics just as good, or more appropriately just as bad.

I won't stop being opinionated and I am open-minded, I just don't enjoy produced pop crap and when I do enjoy it it's because I'm not taking it seriously.
See? that's all you had to do, now onto the subject of whether or not he plays them well the answer is probably no. The music is simple and basic, there's nothing complex about it. You can't compare his composition skills to anyone who's gone down as a great composer. Granted, it's pop music and meant to be same but look at Pet Sounds, There's Nothing Wrong with Love or the Magic Position on those albums the bands thought outside the box and approach pop in a different way, with odd chords and different record techniques. Michael Jackson wouldn't do such a thing because he won't experiment, he wants to sell records not create art.

I'm not going to waste my money on trash, I've heard plenty of Michael Jackson it isn't good music. I don't care if he invented the instruments he uses, it doesn't change the fact that it isn't good.

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mjscarousal

Then why did you say "like I stated before" whatever... it doesn't matter


OKay... and? Yea Bob Dylan is genius of course... so... I'm not trying to say that MJ is the BEST BESTEST songwriter on the planet. I know that there are alot of other better song writers. Just because there are other better songwriters doesn't mean his a terrible song writer because his far from it. I'm not saying his the GREATEST his one of the greatest songwriters to me. MJ music is very meaningful his writes about real stuff and his personal life. Its just what you take from it and what you get out of it. I love TDCAU its a good meaningful song but you didn't like it... thats you.



I don't understand all that jibb jive you was saying but who gives a flook about rhyming, timing and how the words flow. Alot of the greatest songs ever are just lyrics read over beats. There is no rhyme just someone reading over instrumentals and it flows good. Art comes in different forms bro, its all in how you preceive it. Were talking about LYRICS not about how it flowed (which it did successfully) anyway... I mean what did you get out of the song? You making it seem like the lyrics were irrelavant and it had no message. Dude was preachin the truth and both videos was on point to. So what? A five year old could have wrote some of the things Bob dylan wrote. Its not about how it was written its the message. Just like Man in the Mirror another MJ classic that had a good message its irrelavant to this convo because he exactly didn't write that song but my point is MJ always had meaningful songs that got people thinking about the state of the world. We are the world, he wrote that along side lionel richie. He did alot of charity songs and just all his music was real especially when it got down to his private life because I feel for him and the ish he has to go through.


Its good to stick to your ground and defend your position but your just only seeing black and white its no room for blue. Everything has to be right your way and if its not it just sucks and it also has to suck to other people. You haven't at all given credit to MJ. Your assuming things you have no clue about. I don't understand how you can say MJ is so overrated and his this and that but you haven't listened to all his music, looked at his vids, or anything. Your basing your explanations on what you think not what you've heard or seen. Your making it seem like his not talented and your underrating him. His much more than that. His extremely talented.

Crow you need to stop with this probably crap and assuming ish once again. Just listen to the music and then make an opinion. How can you make an opinion before you listen to the song? Thats your definition of criticism. Its stupid because you haven't heard him play and you haven't listened to any of his music like that. You want to be so opinionated but you have nothin to prove because you haven't listened to the music. Michael Jackson creates art and puts alot of time and effort in the work that he does. His been doing it practically his whole life, MJ loves what he does. His not about the awards and record sells. He loves making music and entertaining people, he wouldn't be doing it for so long if he didn't. His sells alot of records because his music is good.

You don't want to listen to his music fine but stop saying he probably can't play and I'm pretty sure... because its retarded because you haven't listened or seen for urself.

Then don't
but don't sit here and judge something that you have never heard.
You have not heard "plenty of Michael Jackson" music because if you did, I wouldn't be hearing; it probably sounds like this... im pretty sure he can't play instruments and this and that, whatever. You try to judge base on what you believe not on what you heard or seen lol oh yea and those "credible sources"