Music Snobs

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I never said they were so much as that's what is often claimed about the movement.

I edited the post punk snob entry, so there.

Is that even claimed about the movement? I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that.

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 08:25 AM

I don't know how that's even possible. At least it's something the music press can never shut the f*ck up about.

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I don't know how that's even possible.

How so? As you yourself said a lot of early punk had close ties to modern art.

I think a lot of people associate punk with being anti-arena rock and anti-corporate, but I don't see where being anti-art snob would fit in there anywhere.

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 08:31 AM

The music press just likes making sh*t up. So I guess it's wrong to accuse post punk of contradicting punk, it just contradicts the image people incorrectly apply to punk.

I know that punk has always had art snobbery attached to it. But the music press usually ignores this because it's easier to package punk as "anti snob and rock n roll" and prog as "snobs who were killing rock n roll". I'm more bitter at the press about that than punks actually.

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

The music press just likes making sh*t up. So I guess it's wrong to accuse post punk of contradicting punk, it just contradicts the image people incorrectly apply to punk.

What I'm saying, though, is I've never heard of an anti-art snob image being attached to punk by anyone except you.

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I know that punk has always had art snobbery attached to it. But the music press usually ignores this because it's easier to package punk as "anti snob and rock n roll" and prog as "snobs who were killing rock n roll". I'm more bitter at the press about that than punks actually.

I've also never heard of prog being considered snobby. Overblown? Yes. Cheesy? Yes. Silly? Yes. But snobby? Not so much.

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

What I'm saying, though, is I've never heard of an anti-art snob image being attached to punk by anyone except you.

That's your problem.

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I've also never heard of prog being considered snobby. Overblown? Yes. Cheesy? Yes. Silly? Yes. But snobby? Not so much.

Now you're just f*cking with me.

It's called that all the time. The music press often calls prog snobby, self serious, humorless and other things that anyone who knows a goddamn thing about the genre knows to be untrue. Those terms correctly apply to punk bands much more often.

I take it you have never read a music magazine ever. I know it's bullcrap, but that is what they always say about prog and punk.

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

That's your problem.

Or maybe it's your problem?

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Now you're just f*cking with me.

It's called that all the time. The music press often calls prog snobby, self serious, humorless and other things that anyone who knows a goddamn thing about the genre knows to be untrue.

Serious and humorless maybe but, no, snobbery is not something I've heard associated with prog by the music press or anyone else.

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Those terms correctly apply to punk bands much more often.

Humorlessness? Really? I'd say a lot of punk is not particularly serious.

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I take it you have never read a music magazine ever. I know it's bullcrap, but that is what they always say about prog and punk.

Well, boobs, I've certainly read plenty of music magazines in my life and I disagree that what you are saying "is what they always say about prog and punk".

boo boo · 08-05-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Or maybe it's your problem?

Nah.

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Serious and humorless maybe but, no, snobbery is not something I've heard associated with prog by the music press or anyone else.

Well that IS your problem because I hear it all the damn time. From Rolling Stone, Blender, Spin, VH1, NME and so on.

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Humorlessness? Really? I'd say a lot of punk is not particularly serious.

I'm not confusing punk in general of being humorless I'm just saying I can think of many many more punk bands who are snobby and self righteous about their points of view.

Studying music theory and wanting their fans to sit still and listen is about as snobby as prog bands tend to get.

Ok, that and Jon Anderson and Steve Howe used to piss Rick Wakeman off with their preachy vegetarianism.

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Well, boobs, I've certainly read plenty of music magazines in my life and I disagree that what you are saying "is what they always say about prog and punk".

Well the music press isn't worth defending and it's bullcrap anyway so arguing about it is pointless because I'm sticking to what I know to be true.

**Janszoon** · 08-05-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Well that IS your problem because I hear it all the damn time. From Rolling Stone, Blender, Spin, VH1, NME and so on.

All the time? Seriously? Somehow I doubt any of those sources mention prog often enough for anything they say about it to be considered "all the time".

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I'm not confusing punk in general of being humorless I'm just saying I can think of many many more punk bands who are snobby and self righteous about their points of view.

Studying music theory and wanting their fans to sit still and listen is about as snobby as prog bands tend to get.

You're completely shifting the goal post here. The comment you made, which I disagreed with, was about punk in relation to art snobbery. Now you're trying to turn that into some general thing about self-righteousness.

Dayvan Cowboy · 08-05-2010, 09:23 AM

@boo boo

Yes, prog is considered snobby. I've been called snobby for liking the newer prog stuff (Battles, The Mars Volta, An awful lot of Math-Rock/Post Rock) and liking the older prog stuff. It's a fact that Prog has been called a snobby genre, but the people who call it snobby are biased and it's a known fact that Rolling Stone doesn't know crap about music so they can't call anything (especially prog) snobby.

08-05-2010, 09:23 AM	#90 (permalink)
Dayvan Cowboy Basscadet Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Antarctica Posts: 1,258	@boo boo Yes, prog is considered snobby. I've been called snobby for liking the newer prog stuff (Battles, The Mars Volta, An awful lot of Math-Rock/Post Rock) and liking the older prog stuff. It's a fact that Prog has been called a snobby genre, but the people who call it snobby are biased and it's a known fact that Rolling Stone doesn't know crap about music so they can't call anything (especially prog) snobby.