What do you call selling out? (hardcore, pop, rock, record companies)

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I'm not saying everyone of them is lying, but most are. That's been my point all along.

You said all of them were only saying it for indie cred.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-06-2007, 03:53 PM

It's not the case that they are exceptions because they're not , it's practical business sense.

If you can find an popular independent band that sells maybe 200,000 - 300,000 then you have virtually that many sales guaranteed you budget to sell that many albums and if & when they do you make a healthy profit , anything more than that is a bonus.

Compare that to making up your own boyband spending huge amounts of money on advertising to make them known , because you'll need it with them having no audience , throw in a load of songwriters , choreographers , stylists , producers that all need paying and then you hope you sell a couple of million albums to break even.

Sure if it does take off you get the bigger return but the first option is the less risky.

ProggyMan · 10-06-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's not the case that they are exceptions because they're not , it's practical business sense.

If you can find an popular independent band that sells maybe 200,000 - 300,000 then you have virtually that many sales guaranteed you budget to sell that many albums and if & when they do you make a healthy profit , anything more than that is a bonus.

Compare that to making up your own boyband spending huge amounts of money on advertising to make them known , because you'll need it with them having no audience , throw in a load of songwriters , choreographers , stylists , producers that all need paying and then you hope you sell a couple of million albums to break even.

Sure if it does take off you get the bigger return but the first option is the less risky.

Consider the amount of money made on singles, concerts, endorsements, etc. How much airplay does Sigur Ros get? How many people attend their concerts? Do they have any chance of getting an endorsement deal?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-06-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Consider the amount of money made on singles, concerts, endorsements, etc. How much airplay does Sigur Ros get? How many people attend their concerts? Do they have any chance of getting an endorsement deal?

Sigur Ros don't strike me as the kind of band who would go in for endorsement deals , but then I would imagine that nobody in the record company expects them to come out with an album that will sell millions of copies either. Which goes to prove my point , the record company will market them at a level where they can make a profit with their existing fan base.

littleknowitall · 10-06-2007, 04:16 PM

tha's an easy question, sell outs on a basic level are bands that put money and fame before their passion before music

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-06-2007, 04:16 PM

I do love how everytime I come out with a point he ignores it.

Go on , disprove my point about how signing an established indie band with a ready made audience makes bad business sense.

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 04:32 PM

I don't think Sigur Ros gives a rat ass about selling records, this is the band that released an album thats title was (), that had no lyrics just a made up "language" and didn't title any of the songs. They're either called Sigur Ros 1 or Untitled 1. The CD sleeve also had nothing in it but blank pages that were meant for you to write your thoughts on the album in. Pretentious yeah, but thats not something your average MTV fan would find appealing.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-06-2007, 04:46 PM

Plus bands don't get offered 'a multi million dollar' record deal.

They'll get an advance , which they have to pay back in full.

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 04:51 PM

I bolded the key words.

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I'm not saying everyone of them is lying, but most are. That's been my point all along.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

You said all of them were only saying it for indie cred.

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

And I'm standing by that.

Let me break that down for you.

You originally said ALL WERE LYING FOR INDIE CRED, then you said MOST WERE then I pointed out that you'd said ALL WERE LYING FOR INDIE CRED then you AGREED THAT YOU DID SAY THAT. Do you see the contradiction? I can't think of anyway to dumb it down even more for you.

ProggyMan · 10-06-2007, 04:53 PM

Which was an exaggeration to make a point. Hence the misinterpretation part. @Urban: Point is that they knew they would make millions.

10-06-2007, 03:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	It's not the case that they are exceptions because they're not , it's practical business sense. If you can find an popular independent band that sells maybe 200,000 - 300,000 then you have virtually that many sales guaranteed you budget to sell that many albums and if & when they do you make a healthy profit , anything more than that is a bonus. Compare that to making up your own boyband spending huge amounts of money on advertising to make them known , because you'll need it with them having no audience , throw in a load of songwriters , choreographers , stylists , producers that all need paying and then you hope you sell a couple of million albums to break even. Sure if it does take off you get the bigger return but the first option is the less risky. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-06-2007, 04:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	I do love how everytime I come out with a point he ignores it. Go on , disprove my point about how signing an established indie band with a ready made audience makes bad business sense. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-06-2007, 04:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	Plus bands don't get offered 'a multi million dollar' record deal. They'll get an advance , which they have to pay back in full. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-06-2007, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,673	tha's an easy question, sell outs on a basic level are bands that put money and fame before their passion before music

10-06-2007, 04:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Which was an exaggeration to make a point. Hence the misinterpretation part. @Urban: Point is that they knew they would make millions.