What do you call selling out? (career, solo, shows, quote)

Wayfarer · 10-06-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Are you not getting through to what i'm saying? Do I have to place it in the form of a pretentious song in ridiculous clothing with stupid solos and a lame band name like King Crimson and Dream Theater?

Lmao.

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 12:52 PM

If you're paying a few thousand dollars for an amp, it better not break. Actually playing in a band I know that equipment isn't breaking all the time and in need of fixing/replacing. We've had the same equipment for the past year and a half and the only time we've had to replace anything is to upgrade it.

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 01:03 PM

Most people who are good at their instruments earn the money to buy equipment and since they're good quickly get picked up at to play at a venue.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:05 PM

forget it. your straying from what i said. im done

cardboard adolescent · 10-06-2007, 01:17 PM

To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose.

In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose.

In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.

i fully agree. good post

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 01:31 PM

Yeah but I would.

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Yeah but I would.

lol agree to disagree then

sleepy jack · 10-06-2007, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RezZ

lol agree to disagree then

When you're dealing with numbers there's nothing to agree to disagree about. 5 is 5, 10 is 10. No arguing i'll type up a list.

Rites of Spring
Minor Threat
Embrace
Nick Drake
Saetia
Instil
You&I
City of Caterpillar
Songs of Zarathustra
Orchid
Jerome's Dream
Pg.99
Forstella Ford
Neil Perry
Between the Wars
Usurp Synapse
Joshua Fit for Battle
Portrait
DeadSeraphim
A Trillion Barnacle Lapse
Linus
Red Scare
Dreamend
Reversal of Man
Windy and Carl
Makara
Racebannon
Hot Cross
Lickgoldensky
Do Make Say Think
This Ship Will Sink
Yndi Halda
Melt Banana
The Lady Is Not For Burning
She Died Real Pretty
Envy
Ef
Welcome the Plague Year
Anodyne
This Will Destroy You
Esmerine
Cult of Luna
MaladyThe Assistant
Mannequin
A Day's Refrain
Transistor Transistor
The Wolves
Ampere
A Northern Chorus
Bucket Full of Teeth
Indian Summer
From the Sky
Unherd
Set Fire to Flames
Eagle Bravo
Funeral Diner
Rights Reserved
Action Patrol
Cornelius
Library Tapes
Tonka
65daysofstatic
Assfactor 4
Salvo Rain
Worlds End Girlfriend
Piano Magic
Resol
Glissandro 70
Laura
Stewface
Bells on Trike
Mogwai
Hobis
The Birds Are Spies, They Report To The Trees
Christie Front Drive
Drive Like Jehu
As the Poets Affirm
Hood
Aghast
The Mercury Program
Suis La Lune
Fiction Like Non Fiction
Kolya
The Khayembii Communique
State Route 522
Aghast
Let Airplanes Circle Overhead
Tristan Tzara
My America Is Watching Tigers Die
Louise Cyphre
Dispensing Of False Halos
Tigers Are Out, Bears Are In
Capulette
Caitlyn Bailey

Dr_Rez · 10-06-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill

When you're dealing with numbers there's nothing to agree to disagree about. 5 is 5, 10 is 10. No arguing i'll type up a list.

Rites of Spring
Minor Threat
Embrace
Nick Drake
Saetia
Instil
You&I
City of Caterpillar
Songs of Zarathustra
Orchid
Jerome's Dream
Pg.99
Forstella Ford
Neil Perry
Between the Wars
Usurp Synapse
Joshua Fit for Battle
Portrait
DeadSeraphim
A Trillion Barnacle Lapse
Linus
Red Scare
Dreamend
Reversal of Man
Windy and Carl
Makara
Racebannon
Hot Cross
Lickgoldensky
Do Make Say Think
This Ship Will Sink
Yndi Halda
Melt Banana
The Lady Is Not For Burning
She Died Real Pretty
Envy
Ef
Welcome the Plague Year
Anodyne
This Will Destroy You
Esmerine
Cult of Luna
MaladyThe Assistant
Mannequin
A Day's Refrain
Transistor Transistor
The Wolves
Ampere
A Northern Chorus
Bucket Full of Teeth
Indian Summer
From the Sky
Unherd
Set Fire to Flames
Eagle Bravo
Funeral Diner
Rights Reserved
Action Patrol
Cornelius
Library Tapes
Tonka
65daysofstatic
Assfactor 4
Salvo Rain
Worlds End Girlfriend
Piano Magic
Resol
Glissandro 70
Laura
Stewface
Bells on Trike
Mogwai
Hobis
The Birds Are Spies, They Report To The Trees
Christie Front Drive
Drive Like Jehu
As the Poets Affirm
Hood
Aghast
The Mercury Program
Suis La Lune
Fiction Like Non Fiction
Kolya
The Khayembii Communique
State Route 522
Aghast
Let Airplanes Circle Overhead
Tristan Tzara
My America Is Watching Tigers Die
Louise Cyphre
Dispensing Of False Halos

Listing bands that did not want to be famous is absolutely ridiculous. You do not know the specifics of what happened or why they didnt make it big. Theres no arguing that either, noone but them knows for sure.

10-06-2007, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
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10-06-2007, 01:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	To me there's different reasons for making music, you can make music to make an artistic statement, to entertain, or to spread your message. If you're making music to entertain or spread a message, changing your style to be more publicly accessible is really in keeping with your main goals, it's basically the equivalent of musicians practicing to increase their technical abilities (unless of course you're spreading a diy anti-consumerist message, in which case that would just be hypocrisy). So in those cases, I don't think it really makes sense to talk about "selling out." If, on the other hand, you're trying to make an artistic statement but you find that nobody really cares about art anymore, they just care about catchy hooks and soothing sounds, so you change your style to sell more I think it makes sense to talk about selling out, since your original motivation for making music has been left behind. I think most musicians that are really concerned with art, however, tend not to do this, or if they do change their sound it still contains traces of their original purpose. In the case of the first two, however, I think bands that serve simply to entertain or spread their message get accused of selling out a lot when really they're just undergoing a natural progression and the fans are just bitter that they've been left behind. I don't feel that a band has an obligation to make the records their fans want to hear.