Artists you should be killed for not liking (lyrics, instrumental)

clarksided · 09-27-2007, 10:02 PM

Patrick Wolf duh

Son of JayJamJah · 09-27-2007, 10:04 PM

You are wrong wayfarer, no songs were stolen. I've been in many rooms for this debate the last twenty years, it always reaches the same verdict.

And the Kennedy comment along with the condescending nature of your final paragraph suggests that you probably know you are.

Wayfarer · 09-27-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

You are wrong wayfarer, no songs were stolen.

O rly?

Prove me wrong then. I mean, c'mon. That sounds like a good idea, doesn't it? People tend to look far less like stupid fanboy assholes when they actually back up the things they say rather than just going around, "YER RONG YER RONG I AM TEH OBJECTIVE TROOF", right?

The Dave · 09-27-2007, 10:15 PM

^you want him to prove that no songs were stolen? That's dumb, you should have to prove which songs are stolen and why they were. You're the one making the attack and should back it up.

Son of JayJamJah · 09-27-2007, 10:20 PM

^
Exactly

The proof is no one has ever proven song stolen or successfully gotten them to take their names of the writing credits.

End of story.

Why are you so much meaner in this thread?

Wayfarer · 09-27-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave

^you want him to prove that no songs were stolen? That's dumb, you should have to prove which songs are stolen and why they were. You're the one making the attack and should back it up.

I already did.

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The proof is no one has ever proven song stolen or successfully gotten them to take their names of the writing credits.

Jake Holmes wrote "Dazed And Confused" and it was released in 1967. The Yardbirds decided to do their own arrangement of the song, but not long afterwards, Page left the band. Page again rearranged it and Zeppelin recorded it on their debut album. The song was credited solely to Page. Page did not write the song. Surely he deserves a credit as it was his own arrangement, but so did Holmes, as he was the original songwriter.

"Black Mountain Side" was essentially an instrumental version of a traditional folk song called "Blackwaterside", and the guitar arrangement in the Zeppelin cover was virtually identical to the guitar arrangement in Bert Jansch's cover of the song. Again, the song was credited solely to Page, despite the fact that he did not write the song.

That is called plagiarism. Therefore, regardless of how few songs were stolen, Led Zeppelin were plagiarists.

I don't think I can simplify it any more than that.

The Dave · 09-27-2007, 10:24 PM

^you only said they were accused of stealing, but as you can tell, such accusations were never proven to be correct or else they would have been maxsued.

If you can post the riff from the supposedly original version and then the Zeo version so everyone can hear it then you may be backing your argument.

Son of JayJamJah · 09-27-2007, 10:29 PM

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I've listened to every one of those songs side by side and even synced them up together, nothing would even catch your ear if you didn't know what you were looking for. The proof is in perception and every time musicians vote on the greatest bands of all-time Led Zeppelin is always top and rarely not top 5. Whereas when Rolling Stone which successfully sued for libel against either Zeppelin or Page can't quite recall ranks them 10-20 spots lower.

(There is no) God Damn it this is a dumb argument.

I wish JGD was here he always laments having to make this argument.

Wayfarer · 09-27-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave

^you only said they were accused of stealing, but as you can tell, such accusations were never proven to be correct or else they would have been maxsued.

They were taken to court on more than one occasion.

"In the 1970s, Arc Music, the publishing arm of Chess Records, brought a lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for copyright infringement over "Bring It on Home" and won an out-of-court settlement. Dixon himself did not benefit until he sued Arc Music to recover his royalties and copyrights. Years later, Dixon filed suit against Led Zeppelin over "Whole Lotta Love" and an out-of-court settlement was reached. Later pressings of Led Zeppelin II credit Dixon."

Did that all sink in okay? Willie Dixon accused the band of plagiarizing his music, and an out-of-court settlement was reached. From then on, all pressings of Led Zeppelin's second album credit Dixon, implying that the band admitted to plagiarizing Dixon's music.

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I've listened to every one of those songs side by side and even synced them up together, nothing would even catch your ear if you didn't know what you were looking for.

They obviously didn't synch up well because Zeppelin rearranged the songs. That does not mean that they wrote them.

Son of JayJamJah · 09-27-2007, 10:48 PM

You don't read well do you?

He gets no money, their names are also listed in the writing credits, out of court means there was not a strong enough case to win and the defendant could save everyone time and money by reaching a mutual agreeable compromise.

Can we please just stop this, before I stop enjoying your other posts.

09-27-2007, 10:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
clarksided Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 77	Patrick Wolf duh __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/Folkwire http://rateyourmusic.com/~Folkwire

09-27-2007, 10:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	You are wrong wayfarer, no songs were stolen. I've been in many rooms for this debate the last twenty years, it always reaches the same verdict. And the Kennedy comment along with the condescending nature of your final paragraph suggests that you probably know you are.

09-27-2007, 10:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
The Dave Me and The Major Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,830	^you want him to prove that no songs were stolen? That's dumb, you should have to prove which songs are stolen and why they were. You're the one making the attack and should back it up.

09-27-2007, 10:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	^ Exactly The proof is no one has ever proven song stolen or successfully gotten them to take their names of the writing credits. End of story. Why are you so much meaner in this thread?

09-27-2007, 10:24 PM	#27 (permalink)
The Dave Me and The Major Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,830	^you only said they were accused of stealing, but as you can tell, such accusations were never proven to be correct or else they would have been maxsued. If you can post the riff from the supposedly original version and then the Zeo version so everyone can hear it then you may be backing your argument.

09-27-2007, 10:29 PM	#28 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	^ I've listened to every one of those songs side by side and even synced them up together, nothing would even catch your ear if you didn't know what you were looking for. The proof is in perception and every time musicians vote on the greatest bands of all-time Led Zeppelin is always top and rarely not top 5. Whereas when Rolling Stone which successfully sued for libel against either Zeppelin or Page can't quite recall ranks them 10-20 spots lower. (There is no) God Damn it this is a dumb argument. I wish JGD was here he always laments having to make this argument.

09-27-2007, 10:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	You don't read well do you? He gets no money, their names are also listed in the writing credits, out of court means there was not a strong enough case to win and the defendant could save everyone time and money by reaching a mutual agreeable compromise. Can we please just stop this, before I stop enjoying your other posts.