Most Underrated/Overrated Artists

Badlittlekitten · 12-31-2010, 12:04 PM

I think VU were just fine when Cale left. For me their self titled album is their strongest and most consistent. Then again my favourite VU related release is Cale's Paris 1919 album so what do I know.

TockTockTock · 12-31-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zachsd

Interesting point with B. I've never really thought of John Cale that way but the more I think about it the more it makes a lot of sense. Looking at the albums he produced after The Velvet Underground (not including his own of course), it really seems like he was able to bring out the best in other musicians. A case in point was Patti Smith and Horses. In my opinion, and I think I share this opinion with a lot of people, Horses was by far her best album. I also don't think it was a coincidence that Cale produced it. Another album that comes to mind is The Stooges' self-titled, which was also an amazing work. Both Horses and The Stooges are not only great albums, but carry on Cale's influence of producing music way of ahead of its time. This can be seen in his influence on the protopunk scene in general. Cale is really an undiscovered gem in my opinion; a man that always seemed to be working behind the scenes, but man was he working.

I guess that's what separates a great musician from a great producer.

Another great musician/producer that got swallowed up (at least to a certain extent) by the popularity of another bandmate is Johnny Marr. Generally I find his work with The Smiths to be a lot better than Morrissey's, I also think his solo stuff shows a versatility that Morrissey definitely lacks.

Good point... Horses WAS her best album, and he did help a lot with the Stooges' debut. Didn't he help write "We Will Fall" with them? Although, I can't say his solo albums are all that interesting. I don't see any avant-garde in it at all (which disappoints me).

As for the rest of the debate, I can't say I disagree or agree with him. I could argue all day about this but we won't hey anywhere. I just feel uncomfortable with giving Cale more credit than Reed.

Followeroffashion · 12-31-2010, 01:51 PM

The Beatles were for sure overrated, they overshadowed so many great bands of the era. I think Ray Davies did more for music than the Beatles ever did. Not to say that I don't like the Beatles, they were brilliant, Mccartney was the music and Lennon always had something to say. What I've never liked is how Mccartney was underrated, he put together some rubbish lyrics to his songs but, for me anyway, its the music that he created which makes him great and made the Beatles so popular, + the hair i guess.

Oasis, definitely overrated, and i just don't like them.. probably the latter. Anything by Coldplay, Take That, U2, pretty much anything that Simon Cowell endorses. Kanye West, there is a huge list and I could go on and on but its basically mainstream generic ****e, and .. stuff i don't like.

I find Bob Dylan to be overrated by some people, I think David Bowie was a greater poet than Dylan ever was. (still like dylan though).

Bruce Springsteen, overrated, never accustomed to his music, his singing or.. really anything about him.

Underrated: Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Mott the Hoople, Niel Young, The Kinks, Blur, Cat Stevens, or Yusaf Islam more like, The Faces, Joni Mitchell i guess she was underrated until she opened her mouth and those that criticized her ate up their words pretty quickly, Nick Cave and the Bad seeds.

Followeroffashion · 12-31-2010, 01:55 PM

forgot to mention Thunderclap Newman, formed by the guitarist from the Who, Pete Townshend. Made one of my favourite songs, "Something in the Air", and a great album, Hollywood Dreams.

I guess they were probably more 'not known' than underrated but still I reckon they deserve a mention.

deadpoet · 01-02-2011, 02:45 AM

Overrated: Led Zeppelin (though i love them)
Underrated: Brakes (or Brakesbrakesbrakes, depending on where you live)

Sodomy4Hire · 01-07-2011, 01:10 AM

Overrated: Anyone appearing on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time
Underrated: Everybody else

RVCA · 01-07-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sodomy4Hire

Overrated: Anyone appearing on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time
Underrated: Everybody else

Profound!

Sodomy4Hire · 01-07-2011, 01:43 AM

*bows*

zachsd · 01-07-2011, 03:06 AM

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I find Bob Dylan to be overrated by some people, I think David Bowie was a greater poet than Dylan ever was.

Wow, I'd like to hear your logic for that one. Not that I have much against Bowie, just comparing his lyrics to Dylan's seems like a pretty impossible feat.

God, I wish Dylan wasn't in my avatar, I feel like such a fanboy now...

MoonUnit · 01-07-2011, 01:48 PM

underrated: Ween

12-31-2010, 12:04 PM	#391 (permalink)
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12-31-2010, 01:51 PM	#393 (permalink)
Followeroffashion Groupie Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 6	The Beatles were for sure overrated, they overshadowed so many great bands of the era. I think Ray Davies did more for music than the Beatles ever did. Not to say that I don't like the Beatles, they were brilliant, Mccartney was the music and Lennon always had something to say. What I've never liked is how Mccartney was underrated, he put together some rubbish lyrics to his songs but, for me anyway, its the music that he created which makes him great and made the Beatles so popular, + the hair i guess. Oasis, definitely overrated, and i just don't like them.. probably the latter. Anything by Coldplay, Take That, U2, pretty much anything that Simon Cowell endorses. Kanye West, there is a huge list and I could go on and on but its basically mainstream generic **e, and .. stuff i don't like. I find Bob Dylan to be overrated by some people, I think David Bowie was a greater poet than Dylan ever was. (still like dylan though). Bruce Springsteen, overrated, never accustomed to his music, his singing or.. really anything about him. Underrated:** Jeff Beck, Carlos Santana, Mott the Hoople, Niel Young, The Kinks, Blur, Cat Stevens, or Yusaf Islam more like, The Faces, Joni Mitchell i guess she was underrated until she opened her mouth and those that criticized her ate up their words pretty quickly, Nick Cave and the Bad seeds.

12-31-2010, 01:55 PM	#394 (permalink)
Followeroffashion Groupie Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 6	forgot to mention Thunderclap Newman, formed by the guitarist from the Who, Pete Townshend. Made one of my favourite songs, "Something in the Air", and a great album, Hollywood Dreams. I guess they were probably more 'not known' than underrated but still I reckon they deserve a mention.

01-02-2011, 02:45 AM	#395 (permalink)
deadpoet Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In interesting times Posts: 69	Overrated: Led Zeppelin (though i love them) Underrated: Brakes (or Brakesbrakesbrakes, depending on where you live)

01-07-2011, 01:10 AM	#396 (permalink)
Sodomy4Hire Groupie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 38	Overrated: Anyone appearing on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time Underrated: Everybody else

01-07-2011, 01:43 AM	#398 (permalink)
Sodomy4Hire Groupie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 38	bows

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MoonUnit Groupie Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3	underrated: Ween