Most Underrated/Overrated Artists

duga · 08-29-2012, 09:55 AM

Okayyyy...moving on from Radiohead.

I know they just have one album, but Gauntlet Hair's debut seriously didn't get the attention it deserved upon its release. For 2 guys to create such a detailed atmosphere with just a guitar and some drums is really impressive. Very underrated thus far.

Holerbot6000 · 08-29-2012, 12:51 PM

I think Grouper is kinda overrated. All these music journo's seem to fall all over themselves infusing her music with serious intellectual intent and yet, when I listen to it, frankly, all I hear is some chick noodling on a synthesizer in her bedroom. It's not bad, but it's not earth shaking either, and I can think of many others who do the same thing much better. I hate to say it, because I genuinely like them, but aTelecine is waaaay overrated also. I don't know if it's because Sasha Grey is a member or what, but they get so much laudatory ink in the alternative music press and I'm not sure they really deserve it. At least, not yet. Some of their stuff is great, but some is just self-indulgent nonsense.

I can't think of a lot of bands that are underrated so much as they are just undiscovered by a wider audience and I'm fine with that. Of the bigger bands, I think maybe Rush doesn't always get the respect they deserved, but that seems to be finally turning around.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 08-29-2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

you people take the internet too seriously

it's all only ****ing cyberspace to me

Screen13 · 08-29-2012, 05:54 PM

Web Space, My Face, This Place anyway
It's still Cyberspace to me!

bob. · 08-29-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Holerbot6000

I think Grouper is kinda overrated. All these music journo's seem to fall all over themselves infusing her music with serious intellectual intent and yet, when I listen to it, frankly, all I hear is some chick noodling on a synthesizer in her bedroom. It's not bad, but it's not earth shaking either, and I can think of many others who do the same thing much better. I hate to say it, because I genuinely like them, but aTelecine is waaaay overrated also. I don't know if it's because Sasha Grey is a member or what, but they get so much laudatory ink in the alternative music press and I'm not sure they really deserve it. At least, not yet. Some of their stuff is great, but some is just self-indulgent nonsense.

very interesting post sir

personally i had no idea that there was any press about either of these "bands".....when i first listened to AIA by Grouper last year i was actually quite taken back by it....i found it quite fluid and very dreamy....but after a break and a re-listen i agree 100% and found it to be not nearly as spectacular as the first listen and more along the lines of a depressed girl playing with synths in her bedroom

as for aTelecine....hmm i think if they are getting any type of press it is because Sasha Grey is a member....honestly i find her quite interesting and like you actually very much enjoy what they are doing....well for the most part at least....i've honestly only really heard the first Cassette Tape Culture and the EP they put out

Holerbot6000 · 08-30-2012, 06:47 AM

Well if you read The Wire or the Quietus or Boomkat any UK-type music press, you do see a lot of coverage of these types of bands, especially if you are industrially oriented, as I am. I probably get far too lost in my 'niche' sometimes to know what's going on in the 'real' world. Admittedly too, there is a thread of pretentiousness that runs through a lot of these publications/websites that seems to cause them to hype things that turn out to be not that special. I read them because it's often the only way to find out about interesting bands, but, like all music press, I don't completely trust them because they get their music for free so they may have ulterior motives and/or may not be as critical as they would be if they had to shell out the bucks for the product. I think this might be a catalyst for the whole overrated/underrated thing too. Never trust a critic.

Re: aTelecine, I like Sasha too. She is setting herself up to be the Cosey Fanni Tutti of the new millennium and with Cosey's blessing, apparently. It's harder to pinpoint exactly what Sasha contributes to the band, beyond the occasional whispered vocal. I'd love to see her step out and do some other collaborations, like the Nik Void/Chris & Cosey thing, to get a clearer picture of what she has to offer musically.

bob. · 08-30-2012, 08:27 AM

industrially oriented? as in into industrial or in the industry? or both

there is a video on youtube for Amoeba Records where they talk to an employing about martial industrial music....and one of the first things he says is that you have to shovel through a bunch of crap to find the real gems.....i find that absolutely true with noise/ambient type stuff...as well as neofolk....all of which i enjoy

i don't know i've always kind of concentrated on the bands themselves....who they are touring with, who they thank, who they mention at live shows or in liner notes...for instance i found out about a beautiful German folk band called Forseti when Douglas P mentioned them at a Death In June show....and i can't lie i am and have always been a bit of a label hound....when i find a band that really hits me hard.....i check out everything on their label

i think you asked me in another thread about the area i live and whether or not people listen to what i listen to....i think it was about Current 93.....and seriously i'm sorry i never answered

.....the answer is no....i seriously do not know anybody in my circle of friends that listens to the majority of what i listen to....ironically i was hanging out to very dear old friends of mine last weekend and they both stated that "i have the worst taste in music"....and yet they all listen to my morning video i post daily on facebook....this mornings song was "Why You Never Became A Dancer" by Whitehouse....dedicated to the Burning Man crowd

by the way where in Tahoe did you live?...there is quite a difference between South and North shore

as for Sasha Grey....talk about an underrated person!....from what i understand she mainly does tape loops in aTelecine....which...just to say is what Peter Christopherson mainly did for both TG and PTV....i agree 100% with her coming out as a rising star within the genre....i read an interview with her where she said that Louis-Ferdinand Celine, Jean Genet, and Jean-Paul Sartre where her main influences in life....

Holerbot6000 · 08-30-2012, 08:58 AM

I grew up in South Shore Tahoe - kind of a working class factory town with Casinos instead of factories. As a result, I heard the 'Worst taste in music' thing a lot and it really bothered me that I couldn't share the music I loved with the people I loved. Finally, after trying unsuccessfully to share my enthusiasm for the new Brian Eno album of the time (I think it was Warm Jets), I just decided to get comfortable being the Alien in the room and have been ever since.

Brrrr. Whitehouse. TG is a favorite band and I can do Merzbow standing on my head (and have!) but Whitehouse I have always found a bit too disturbing. I guess we all have our limits.

I guess I've gone way off topic again here. Sorry. Really interesting threads have been kind of few and far between lately...

Duraddict · 08-30-2012, 09:00 AM

I dunno if this really needs to be said, but I can't believe this sold as many copies as it did.

I LOVE pop music. But this was just one of the worst recors I've ever heard. Nothing on it was good even for guilty pleasure value.

**Janszoon** · 08-30-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict

I dunno if this really needs to be said, but I can't believe this sold as many copies as it did.

I LOVE pop music. But this was just one of the worst recors I've ever heard. Nothing on it was good even for guilty pleasure value.

"I Gotta Feeling" is decent guilty pleasure music.

08-29-2012, 09:55 AM	#1341 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Okayyyy...moving on from Radiohead. I know they just have one album, but Gauntlet Hair's debut seriously didn't get the attention it deserved upon its release. For 2 guys to create such a detailed atmosphere with just a guitar and some drums is really impressive. Very underrated thus far. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

08-30-2012, 08:27 AM	#1347 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	industrially oriented? as in into industrial or in the industry? or both there is a video on youtube for Amoeba Records where they talk to an employing about martial industrial music....and one of the first things he says is that you have to shovel through a bunch of crap to find the real gems.....i find that absolutely true with noise/ambient type stuff...as well as neofolk....all of which i enjoy i don't know i've always kind of concentrated on the bands themselves....who they are touring with, who they thank, who they mention at live shows or in liner notes...for instance i found out about a beautiful German folk band called Forseti when Douglas P mentioned them at a Death In June show....and i can't lie i am and have always been a bit of a label hound....when i find a band that really hits me hard.....i check out everything on their label i think you asked me in another thread about the area i live and whether or not people listen to what i listen to....i think it was about Current 93.....and seriously i'm sorry i never answered .....the answer is no....i seriously do not know anybody in my circle of friends that listens to the majority of what i listen to....ironically i was hanging out to very dear old friends of mine last weekend and they both stated that "i have the worst taste in music"....and yet they all listen to my morning video i post daily on facebook....this mornings song was "Why You Never Became A Dancer" by Whitehouse....dedicated to the Burning Man crowd by the way where in Tahoe did you live?...there is quite a difference between South and North shore as for Sasha Grey....talk about an underrated person!....from what i understand she mainly does tape loops in aTelecine....which...just to say is what Peter Christopherson mainly did for both TG and PTV....i agree 100% with her coming out as a rising star within the genre....i read an interview with her where she said that Louis-Ferdinand Celine, Jean Genet, and Jean-Paul Sartre where her main influences in life.... __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

08-29-2012, 12:51 PM	#1342 (permalink)
Holerbot6000 Music Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: near a record store Posts: 327	I think Grouper is kinda overrated. All these music journo's seem to fall all over themselves infusing her music with serious intellectual intent and yet, when I listen to it, frankly, all I hear is some chick noodling on a synthesizer in her bedroom. It's not bad, but it's not earth shaking either, and I can think of many others who do the same thing much better. I hate to say it, because I genuinely like them, but aTelecine is waaaay overrated also. I don't know if it's because Sasha Grey is a member or what, but they get so much laudatory ink in the alternative music press and I'm not sure they really deserve it. At least, not yet. Some of their stuff is great, but some is just self-indulgent nonsense. I can't think of a lot of bands that are underrated so much as they are just undiscovered by a wider audience and I'm fine with that. Of the bigger bands, I think maybe Rush doesn't always get the respect they deserved, but that seems to be finally turning around.

08-29-2012, 05:54 PM	#1344 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Web Space, My Face, This Place anyway It's still Cyberspace to me!

08-30-2012, 06:47 AM	#1346 (permalink)
Holerbot6000 Music Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: near a record store Posts: 327	Well if you read The Wire or the Quietus or Boomkat any UK-type music press, you do see a lot of coverage of these types of bands, especially if you are industrially oriented, as I am. I probably get far too lost in my 'niche' sometimes to know what's going on in the 'real' world. Admittedly too, there is a thread of pretentiousness that runs through a lot of these publications/websites that seems to cause them to hype things that turn out to be not that special. I read them because it's often the only way to find out about interesting bands, but, like all music press, I don't completely trust them because they get their music for free so they may have ulterior motives and/or may not be as critical as they would be if they had to shell out the bucks for the product. I think this might be a catalyst for the whole overrated/underrated thing too. Never trust a critic. Re: aTelecine, I like Sasha too. She is setting herself up to be the Cosey Fanni Tutti of the new millennium and with Cosey's blessing, apparently. It's harder to pinpoint exactly what Sasha contributes to the band, beyond the occasional whispered vocal. I'd love to see her step out and do some other collaborations, like the Nik Void/Chris & Cosey thing, to get a clearer picture of what she has to offer musically.

08-30-2012, 08:58 AM	#1348 (permalink)
Holerbot6000 Music Mutant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: near a record store Posts: 327	I grew up in South Shore Tahoe - kind of a working class factory town with Casinos instead of factories. As a result, I heard the 'Worst taste in music' thing a lot and it really bothered me that I couldn't share the music I loved with the people I loved. Finally, after trying unsuccessfully to share my enthusiasm for the new Brian Eno album of the time (I think it was Warm Jets), I just decided to get comfortable being the Alien in the room and have been ever since. Brrrr. Whitehouse. TG is a favorite band and I can do Merzbow standing on my head (and have!) but Whitehouse I have always found a bit too disturbing. I guess we all have our limits. I guess I've gone way off topic again here. Sorry. Really interesting threads have been kind of few and far between lately...