Most Underrated/Overrated Artists

Howard the Duck · 09-11-2012, 12:11 AM

^^you do know there are stuff that stress melodies and atmosphere, don't you?

also under "metal"

Neapolitan · 09-11-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

^^you do know there are stuff that stress melodies and atmosphere, don't you?

also under "metal"

And you do know there is stuff like KISS that stresses make-up and S&M outfits.

AndrahilAdrian · 09-11-2012, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

^^you do know there are stuff that stress melodies and atmosphere, don't you?

also under "metal"

Well mate, if you direct me to a metal song with a bona fide melody I'll duly listen to it. I doubt you will, since metal is diametrically opposed to melody, instead employing power chords, masturbatory solos, and general loudness to woo its suggestible audience. A metal song with melody probably wouldn't even qualify as metal. Even if it did, the melody would be lost beneath all that hideous distortion. Basically, metal is musical cancer, and if you like it, there's something wrong with you. Of course, metal fans likely take that as a compliment, since, as I said, they judge their music very differently from how normal people do; abrasion and general unlistenable-ness are signs that the music is "intense". A metal song with melody and tune would betray the fundamental tenents of metal.

Trollheart · 09-11-2012, 01:29 AM

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Well mate, if you direct me to a metal song with a bona fide melody I'll duly listen to it. I doubt you will, since metal is diametrically opposed to melody, instead employing power chords, masturbatory solos, and general loudness to woo its suggestible audience. A metal song with melody probably wouldn't even qualify as metal. Even if it did, the melody would be lost beneath all that hideous distortion. Basically, metal is musical cancer, and if you like it, there's something wrong with you. Of course, metal fans likely take that as a compliment, since, as I said, they judge their music very differently from how normal people do; abrasion and general unlistenable-ness are signs that the music is "intense". A metal song with melody and tune would betray the fundamental tenents of metal.

This has to qualify for the prize for THE most uninformed, hostile and outright rude comment ever posted here. As it happens...

and these are only three that sprang to mind. Give me the time, and was I bothered to, I could fill a page with videos from various metal bands that all display distinct melody. Of course, you'll probably just ignore this, declaring that none of these songs have any melody, but then if so that just proves that your argument is empty and can't be supported.

Why in God's name would you even think of advancing a theory/opinion that having melody in a genre would betray its tenets (it's tenets, by the way, not tenents: that's a beer, but you need an extra "n"!), and anyway, what do you see AS those tenets??

You DO realise don't you that there are many sub-genres of metal that you're lumping together in a quite unforgivable, stereotypical, across-the-board way and dismissing out of hand? Not to mention blues, which is one of the basic fundamentals on which metal is based, and out of which it grew, as well as hard rock and various other genres and sub-genres?

Oh, and don't even get me started on prog rock!

**Janszoon** · 09-11-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrahilAdrian

Well mate, if you direct me to a metal song with a bona fide melody I'll duly listen to it. I doubt you will, since metal is diametrically opposed to melody, instead employing power chords, masturbatory solos, and general loudness to woo its suggestible audience. A metal song with melody probably wouldn't even qualify as metal. Even if it did, the melody would be lost beneath all that hideous distortion. Basically, metal is musical cancer, and if you like it, there's something wrong with you. Of course, metal fans likely take that as a compliment, since, as I said, they judge their music very differently from how normal people do; abrasion and general unlistenable-ness are signs that the music is "intense". A metal song with melody and tune would betray the fundamental tenents of metal.

Here's a metal song with a bona fide melody for you:

Key · 09-11-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrahilAdrian

Well mate, if you direct me to a metal song with a bona fide melody I'll duly listen to it. I doubt you will, since metal is diametrically opposed to melody, instead employing power chords, masturbatory solos, and general loudness to woo its suggestible audience. A metal song with melody probably wouldn't even qualify as metal. Even if it did, the melody would be lost beneath all that hideous distortion. Basically, metal is musical cancer, and if you like it, there's something wrong with you. Of course, metal fans likely take that as a compliment, since, as I said, they judge their music very differently from how normal people do; abrasion and general unlistenable-ness are signs that the music is "intense". A metal song with melody and tune would betray the fundamental tenents of metal.

All I can say is, good luck, you'll need it.

Unknown Soldier · 09-11-2012, 09:08 AM

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Metal is the glaring exception. There has never been a metal band I've liked, and there never will be. The fundamental premises of the genre (absurd levels of distortion, over-long, self-congratulatory guitar solos, harsh vocals, a disdain for melody) are just plain unmusical. If a heavy metal band was good, it wouldn't be heavy metal. I think on some level metalheads realize this, so they don't talk about their music the way fans of actual music do. Nobody ever calls an Iron Maiden or Cannibal Corpse song "beautiful", they say it's "badass" or "Intense". Its like they take pride in listening to music that's as noisy, abrasive, and downright nasty as possible. In a way, this is justified; anyone who can listen to metal for more than a few minutes without getting a headache is made of sterner stuff than me. And then there's the rediculous "aesthetic"; the face paint and the absurdly long hair and the sexist machismo and the single-minded focus on being as offensive as possible. This wouldn't be a problem if this attitude didn't extend to the music itself, which is rooted in Black Sabbath's focus on outraging people rather than, you know, being good. The only good things about metal are the hilarious band names, like Prostitute Disfigurement and Cock And Ball Torture and Circle of Dead Children and so on. They probably think they're really scary and unnerving, or retain a pretentious belief that they are somehow "pushing boundaries" or "exposing humanity's dark side" (see: Marilyn Manson). In actuality they are just a bunch of immature morons making terrible music for dumb rednecks and social misfits. I find it hard to believe anyone actually likes this stuff; I'm convinced they only pretend to because they think enjoying noises normal people think are unpleasant makes them special. If even one person saw metal as anything other than complete and total garbage, it would be overrated. Yes, metal is a vast genre ecompassing various testaments to human stupidity. If you like your stupidity served with a side of pretension, try prog metal or symphonic metal. If you like new age lunatic stupidity, check out pagan or folk metal. If you're into skinhead racist stupidity, take a look at teutonic metal. If you feel like the patented Vanilla Ice brand of stupidity, try rap metal. And if you want to out-stupid the stupids, listen to death metal. Do you know what all these myriad subgenres have in common? That's right, they're all totally stupid. Metal is fundamentally stupid. So I can dismiss any band that plays metal out of hand.

Biggest load of rubbish I've read in ages.

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Originally Posted by AndrahilAdrian

Well mate, if you direct me to a metal song with a bona fide melody I'll duly listen to it. I doubt you will, since metal is diametrically opposed to melody, instead employing power chords, masturbatory solos, and general loudness to woo its suggestible audience. A metal song with melody probably wouldn't even qualify as metal. Even if it did, the melody would be lost beneath all that hideous distortion. Basically, metal is musical cancer, and if you like it, there's something wrong with you. Of course, metal fans likely take that as a compliment, since, as I said, they judge their music very differently from how normal people do; abrasion and general unlistenable-ness are signs that the music is "intense". A metal song with melody and tune would betray the fundamental tenents of metal.

.....and another load of rubbish to follow it.

Rjinn · 09-11-2012, 12:54 AM

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I'm convinced they only pretend to because they think enjoying noises normal people think are unpleasant makes them special. If even one person saw metal as anything other than complete and total garbage, it would be overrated.

Or perhaps they enjoy listening to the genre for different artistic views than you instead of being a special unpleasant badass? They should demand the same respect towards their view that they do yours. But making a comment like that makes it hard and quite trolling as well. Funny that's what we were discussing before.

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Yes, metal is a vast genre ecompassing various testaments to human stupidity. If you like your stupidity served with a side of pretension, try prog metal or symphonic metal. If you like new age lunatic stupidity, check out pagan or folk metal. If you're into skinhead racist stupidity, take a look at teutonic metal. If you feel like the patented Vanilla Ice brand of stupidity, try rap metal. And if you want to out-stupid the stupids, listen to death metal. Do you know what all these myriad subgenres have in common? That's right, they're all totally stupid. Metal is fundamentally stupid. So I can dismiss any band that plays metal out of hand.

I find it quite stupefying and ignorant directing a musical preference and style only towards stupid people based on assumption when you actually have no clue what it means to them.

Howard the Duck · 09-11-2012, 01:33 AM

i've given up feeding the troll

not just the blues, metal draws from shoegaze, psychedelia

masturbatory? - some use less finesse than punk, less chords and less notes

maybe i'm just a beer-drinking badass listening to unlistenable music

Rjinn · 09-11-2012, 01:55 AM

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Please whatever you don't listen to Howard the Duck - don't **** off. You only made three post and somehow your my favorite poster.

Funny how you were defending the poster's right to have an "opinion". Yet you give praise when making the most inflammatory insulting post of them all.