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Old 09-10-2012, 07:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Very biased list here.... Where are all the Soul/Funk singers? Everybody just listens to Rock on this site :/


Underrated:

Sly Family Stone
Funkadelic
D Angelo
Jack White
Krs One
Fionna Apple
Mint Condition
I think we have really different definitions of the word "underrated".
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think we have really different definitions of the word "underrated".

None of those artists are mainstream artists or POP stars. Sly Family Stone just had an unsung episode which primarily focuses on black artists who were popular that never really crossed over. Neither as Funkadelic and the rest of the artists mentioned are not POP or heavily acknowledged by the music industry.... So what is your definition of underrated?
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None of those artists are mainstream artists or POP stars.
All of those artists are mainstream, except maybe Mint Condition, who I'm not familiar with.

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Sly Family Stone just had an unsung episode which primarily focuses on black artists who were popular that never really crossed over. Neither as Funkadelic and the rest of the artists mentioned are not POP or heavily acknowledged by the music industry.... So what is your definition of underrated?
Underrated would imply an artist who is not critically praised or highly regarded, the opposite of the people on your list.
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All of those artists are mainstream, except maybe Mint Condition, who I'm not familiar with.


Underrated would imply an artist who is not critically praised or highly regarded, the opposite of the people on your list.

None of those artists have any grammys or any awards by the mass industry and currently they are very underrated.


Mint Condition has been in the industry for over 20 years now and they are an R&B band that writes and composes their own music they dont get any awards. D Angelo experienced some moderate commercial success in the mid 90s but currently he is not mainstream or wins alot of awards. He was one of the most influential artists of the 90s that started the neo soul movement. Sly Family Stone NEVER gets the credit they deserve from the mass industry. Yes, they are legends but they never get their due for what they have done likewise with Funkadelic but then their are bands like The Beatles that are way overrated in comparision. Krs One doesnt get NO credit and he is one of the greatest MCEE's of all time.

Jack White is one of the most talented artists that has came out of the last 15 years and he never gets any credit as a solo artist


An artist can have some moderate commercial success and still be underrated. None of these artists are what I would considered to be mainstream.... they all have not experienced any commercial success in YEARS.
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Over-rated: Nickleback, Counting Crows, Lady Gaga, Maroon 5, John Mayer

Under-rated: The Sights, Brendan Benson, Jellyroot, Dropkick Murphys, Fiona Apple, Jack White
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Jack White
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Under-rated: Jack White
People, Jack White isn't underrated, whole stadiums sing his song:



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People, Jack White isn't underrated, whole stadiums sing his song:




Thats with his band "The White Stripes" but as a solo artist he is very underrated. He has written and composed alot of music for other artists as well as for himself that goes unappreciated by the mass industry.
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This is what I found quite ludicrous:



Rjinnx, I hate to use an analogy but it is like having two beverages (let's use this as an example ) and someone is asked which one is warmer the one on the left or the one on the right. The person said the one on the left. Would it be right if people were to estraplate what the guy really said was that it was hot? Saying something like "one beer is warmer than another" isn't the same as "that beer is hot."

So if one says Heavy Metal is over-rated (in regards that it doesn't live up to its media hype or it doesn't have enough in his opinion to pique his interest & make him a fan of it). Should that be deduced the person is saying Heavy Metal is terrible? And get made at him for that? The poster only said it was over-rated he didn't said it sucked or was terrible. He didn't condemn it as the worst. It's only a comparitve statement, to me it goes no further than that. When it comes down to it it's only his opinion anyway. It's not some objective statment etched in stone.



All that I would see as being a given and I still would not talk to you like Howard did to AA in that instance. And yet somehow I feel I am made to defend his statement about Heavy Metal. I reread my post and I noticed I did not agree with everything AA said. I hope it is understood that I am only defending his right to give an opinion, (and a right to state an opinion without being told to "just **** off"). I'm not defending his opinion. Whether I agree or not is totally another matter.



He only gave an opinion about music. So Howard comes along and tells him to "just **** off." Well what is that? All in all why should Heavy Metal as thing get more respect than a member who is a person just because he gave an opinion? (Even though he might be a fly-by-night memeber.)
I suppose the personal flame was unnecessary. My comment was mainly directed towards his point, really.

I wouldn't say that analogy is the same as saying "all beers are hot" when you don't have knowledge about every other beer. Granted I have said Nu-Metal isn't a genre I had a taste for but I didn't say it goes for all bands, and actually pointed out specific ones based on. (I'm actually a fan of one, and it was regardless of the genre, so my statement was pretty idiotic).

I just don't think the statement was fair to slander every other band in effect that came out of nowhere.
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I just don't think the statement was fair to slander every other band in effect that came out of nowhere.
I feel all music and bands are over-rated. Music is just a bunch of sounds, the fluff of civilization, and even the most popular songs and memories of bands will fade away eventually, the "glory" of the musicians becoming meaningless and unimportant.

I agree with Neapolitan...

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He only gave an opinion about music. So Howard comes along and tells him to "just **** off." Well what is that? All in all why should Heavy Metal as thing get more respect than a member who is a person just because he gave an opinion? (Even though he might be a fly-by-night memeber.)
...a thing shouldn't get more respect than a person who is sharing an opinion.

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Recently I have been thinking how many Beatles songs sound unmelodious and irritating to me (their later rambling songs), or overly simplistic and annoying (many of their earlier pop songs). For every song by The Beatles that I love, there are nine that I despise or dislike.

Many Beatles songs don't move me at all and sometimes it seems as if some of the music they made was only popular or given attention because it was by The Beatles, but not because the the songs themselves were so fanastic. Had a less famous band made much of their music, I think it would have been forgotten long ago.

So, I've been thinking that The Beatles are over-rated by music historians...perhaps because music buffs tend to be older and value bands that were once popular when they were young? Or maybe music critics got swept up by the hype over the Beatles, and it made them think much of the music was more appealing or interesting than it really was?

I don't think that many of the Beatles songs will be remembered or listened to in a couple generations. In fact, here's an article that says many teens now don't know who The Beatles are...and this, just 50 years after they were so popular!

Video: Teenagers Don't Know Who The Beatles Are: Gothamist


Beatles Fan Club 2011 - YouTube!

And here's a fun story about how many kids using Twitter couldn't recognize who Paul McCartney was during his Grammy appearance:

People On Twitter Ask Who Is Paul McCartney During Grammys | Happy Place

Also over-rated: Lady Gaga

I like one and a half songs by her (of those I've heard). Today on the radio I heard "Poker Face" (a song that I half-dislike) and I really listened for the first time to her "rap" section in this song. And I thought, this isn't very good rap!

Lyrics:
"I won't tell you that I love you
Kiss or hug you
Cause I'm bluffin' with my muffin
I'm not lying I'm just stunnin' with my love-glue-gunning
Just like a chick in the casino"

It sounds like she's singing about a chicken! Unless she *wants* to be singing about a chicken, she should have scanned her lyrics to eliminate unintended meanings. And "I'm bluffin' with my muffin" sounds like something I'd expect from The Black Eyed Peas. Blech. Which reminds me...

Definitely over-rated: The Black Eyed Peas.
The first song I ever heard by them, I loathed it. The second song was no better. I hate every song by them that I've ever heard. And I mean despise. So I am shocked when I see their music videos getting 130 million views (unless the viewers are people like me who are listening just to try to figure out why the song has 130 million views ). I agree with wisdom's opinion of The Black Eyed Peas (expressed eloquently elsewhere on MusicBanter.)

Horror song: "Boom Boom Pow"
Makes me want to annihilate the planet, boom boom!


The Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow - YouTube
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I feel all music and bands are over-rated. Music is just a bunch of sounds, the fluff of civilization, and even the most popular songs and memories of bands will fade away eventually, the "glory" of the musicians becoming meaningless and unimportant.
I don't think music as form of art is over-rated. Opinions and other thing that relate to music can be over-rated, but not music generally as art can be over-rated - I don't think. Maybe "music is a bunch of sounds" and maybe even noise to those not interested in music or a particular type of music, like the way collecting trains can be seen as a waste of money to those not in that hobby. But when you think about it there is something emotional (and even something compulsive) about train collecting to the train enthusiast and the same thing can be the music fan. If there is a fair amount of understanding what is going on with music or in a particular genre generally people enjoy it and it is meaningful to them.


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