Son of JayJamJah

RE: I wouldn't have Zep at number 1 even though I'm the biggest Zep fan here. The greatest rock band is The Beatles, theres no debating that, really.

Correction you were the biggest Zeppelin fan here. And I make my argument for them over the Beatles as follows. As time has continued to pass since the end of both groups epic runs the music that the Beatles have inspired (pop music) is the scourge of the earth whereas the Zeppelin influenced hard rock and metal seems like the last the best stuff going today within the publics collective conscience. In addition I feel the Beatles have far more bad music produced then Led Zeppelin. Also Zeppelin seems more revered by musicians then do the Beatles and in terms of songs on my I Pod Zep wins 78 to 52 and I never skip a Zeppelin track. (Hot Dog is not on it)

RE: Toto have won 6 Grammys, Pink Floyd only have 1.

The Grammys are not what I would call a valid source.

Most respected awards source in music and the Toto clause is why it's one of many criteria.


RE: And having Yes below Stone Temple Pilots is just ridiculous.

Once again I remind you thats #51-100 are not ranked in any particular order.


RE: If you want to make an efficient greatest artists list, you will need to put preference aside. I'd also add impact, influence and maybe innovation, and replace the term technical skill with talent, because its a more vague (if more subjective) term. And why I wouldn't eradicate popularity from the criteria completely, I wouldn't put as much emphasis on it.

What's the sense of doing my own list if personal preference is not brought into play. I will by the end of this list have shrunk it to the least significant element but still everything else being equal I'll take the band I like better.

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Bolded black are the ones I'd have chosen myself, had this list been mine.

The ones remained untouched I consider noteworthy, but not to my taste.

Red = shot at dawn.

joyboyo53

it is no simple task claiming a TOP 10. so i will say this is a list of 10 artist i believe posses a combination of features that make them stand out more than the rest.

The Beatles - revolutionized music recording as we know it. their music is very diversified and beautiful. the true symbol for what a band is. it shows that you dont have to be the most talented single musician in the world, to "come together" with others and make a brilliant artistic sound.

Jimi Hendrix - fused blues and rock, amazingly innovative guitar player. he made the guitar literally an extension of his body, like as if it was his voice; he controlled exactly how it sounded. he was able to literally express himself and whatever sound he wanted through his guitar.

Bob Dylan - wrote some of the most amazing songs in the history of time. his lyrics are pituresue like a monet painting. not only the best folk artist, but the best singer/songwriter of all time. it doesn't get much better than "like a rolling stone" imo.

Johnny Cash - created the image of a rock star, before there was rock. this guy LIVED throughout music business. he preformed in 5 (maybe 6) decades with everybody who was anybody. even in his last days he did some amazing work with rick rubin, his version of "hurt" is ground shaking.

Ludwig Van Beethoven - a man who knew music beyond comprehension. he was one of the first composers to freelance his work. after he became DEAF he went on to produce complex works of musical art... dedication, talent, originality... need this list go on?

The Velvet Underground - their first 4 albums are unbelievable. they were punk before punk and better than any punk that ever came to be. the lyrics are very gripping and grotesquely elegant. truly unconventional and intensely influential in early rock.

Pearl Jam - they have been one of the best live acts for more than 15 years. their music has depth and meaning. they are solid, driven musicians who care about their fans... and thats is what its really all about.

Metallica - you cant mention heavy rock or metal without knowing that these guys do it the best. they have the most original and artistic heavy metal ballads that exist. epic songs like "one" and "the unforgiven" almost make you wanna cry before you punch a whole in the wall. they broke barriers and raised hell. these guys f-ing ROCK.

i realize this is only 8, maybe ill add 2 more later.... but you get the idea

Son of JayJamJah

Thanks Right Track

I also hate U2 and Bruce

But how could you ax Sir Elton.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Which is why you have Styx on there yet not Public Enemy , De La Soul , Kraftwerk , Massive Attack , Dead Kennedys , James Brown or The Stooges

oops.

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Awesome stuff would be tough to argue with any of them. I don't know if you noticed by I slipped Velvet into the top 50 last night once I realized I excluded them.

It's strange but I tried to make this list given modern music a little boost but it keeps coming back to the innovators.

Son of JayJamJah

Styx is no where to be found on the list, James Brown was on the list and is still in the consideration section. I threw them on the original rough draft near the bottom as filler because while they have some enjoyable music they are not a top 50 band and would be an easy boot when I am reminded of a band I excluded.

boo boo

Styx is 45, watchoo talking about Willis?

I might take a crack at a top 100/200 later on.

EDIT: Oh and Right-Track. Genesis >>> you.

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boo boo

Yeah, I can't really claim to be a bigger Zep fanboy than you.

Oh well. I still have the title of biggest Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Yes fanboy. For the time being.

Well Zeppelin didn't invent hard rock as much as they made it harder. The Who, Cream and Hendrix had the blue prints, Zeppelin just expanded upon their ideas, made it heavier, sexier and more theatrical. Still, Zeppelin shouldn't be given all the credit for heavy metal, no way. Sabbath are obviously more important in that respect, and other bands like Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, AC/DC and to some extent even Queen have made important contrubitons to the heavy metal sound, though you could say that Zep paved the way for them.

The Beatles however, have layed out blueprints for almost every sub-genre of rock music. Including Psychedelic rock (Revolver), Prog (Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour) and Metal (Helter Skelter, I Want You).

Yeah, Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da and Yellow Submarine is more grating than anything Zeppelin have ever done.

But The Beatles never had a bad studio album. Zeppelin had In Through The Out Door, which aside from In The Evening was pretty mediocre.

Zeppelin are more revered by musicians, The Beatles are more revered by songwriters.

But most awards sources in music suck, thats what I'm saying.

Creed won a Grammy for goodness sake.

My bad.


But its confusing. I can't tell if you're trying to do an unbiased greatness list (which you implied by including artists you don't even like) or a personal preference list. You can't have your cake and eat it too, its either one or the other.

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Son of JayJamJah

I am eating my cake and the expression contrary to popular belief is "eat your cake and have it too".

I think it will be clearly in the end that it is a list of the best 50 artists I enjoy ranked in order of unbiased greatness.
Example while U2 might be "better" then Incubus based on my criteria, I simply dislike them so much that I can not allow myself to rank them above anyone I hold in high regard.
Second Example: Even though Ben Folds is one of my top five favorite artists it's doubtful he'll be on the list. Even though I am not a big eagles fan I can appreciate their music and realize they likely have a place in the top 50.

Clear it up at all?