Top-50 All-time (Rough Draft) (dancing, country, punk, rock, rapper)

MHDTV · 07-31-2007, 10:35 PM

I grew up with rap. It has a greater cultural impact in the last 5 years but punk has more impact the last 20.

Son of JayJamJah · 07-31-2007, 10:36 PM

You're correct in your guess Frances. I lot of people my age won't even give Rap a chance, which is the crux of my argument. How influential can something be when it barely touched over half the populations radar.

I like a more Hip-hop music then you do I am guessing and think eventually some of Rap's greatest artists will take there proper place in music history but that day IMO is a few decades away.

~~i get high sometimes~~ · 07-31-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MHDTV

I grew up with rap. It has a greater cultural impact in the last 5 years but punk has more impact the last 20.

How old are you? 12? What you grew up with is a horrible bastardization of rap music.
I hardly doubt that you ever took the time to delve into the good rap, considering you, as a 12 year old boy, probably haven't taken the time to delve into any good music in general.

So now, please, in the past 5 years, that reaches back to what? When you were 7? So apparently rap has only been the single greatest influencer of music since 2002?

1988- Public Enemy- It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
1988- NWA- Straight Outta Compton
1988- De La Soul- 8 Feet High and Rising
1990- Public Enemy- Fear of a Black Planet
1991- A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

I could continue on and on naming genre defining albums all released pre-2002, which was a ridiculous year to list as the benchmark for raps influence on the music industry, while I hardly doubt that you could name more than 5 or 6 genre definig punk albums in that time span, and you certainly could not make the point that it has impacted music more greatly. You're on a sinking ship with this argument.

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Let's just say I think you're greatly misguided.

I don't know. Maybe you should make your point better, you're not doing so hot with that. I think it would be an understatement to call you misguided for claiming grunge has had a greater impact on music over the past 20 years than rap.

joyboyo53 · 07-31-2007, 10:47 PM

edit - whoops i double posted

joyboyo53 · 07-31-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MHDTV

Punk has had a greater cultural influence in the past 20 years.

a greater culture influence yes.

this is because rap has a very small culture. even with a large demographic and many platinum albums, the people who own the albums are predomenatly people who only listen to it because it is at the dance clubs and dont really listen to anything but what is "popular". they arent, nessisarily (excuse spelling) affected by the rap music they listen to like punks more commonly are.

take the effect tupacs music ultimately has on a suburban white kids (the largest consumer market for this music) life. then compare that to how a ramones record has affected the life of the average purchaser.

MHDTV · 07-31-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by i get high sometimes

How old are you? 12? What you grew up with is a horrible bastardization of rap music.
I hardly doubt that you ever took the time to delve into the good rap, considering you, as a 12 year old boy, probably haven't taken the time to delve into any good music in general.

So now, please, in the past 5 years, that reaches back to what? When you were 7? So apparently rap has only been the single greatest influencer of music since 2002?

1988- Public Enemy- It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
1988- NWA- Straight Outta Compton
1988- De La Soul- 8 Feet High and Rising
1990- Public Enemy- Fear of a Black Planet
1991- A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory

I could continue on and on naming genre defining albums all released pre-2002, which was a ridiculous year to list as the benchmark for raps influence on the music industry, while I hardly doubt that you could name more than 5 or 6 genre definig punk albums in that time span, and you certainly could not make the point that it has impacted music more greatly. You're on a sinking ship with this argument.

I don't know. Maybe you should make your point better, you're not doing so hot with that. I think it would be an understatement to call you misguided for claiming grunge has had a greater impact on music over the past 20 years than rap.

We're arguing two different things. You're arguing the musical impact and me the cultural impact.

~~i get high sometimes~~ · 07-31-2007, 11:01 PM

Why you diverged from the original argument is beyond me. I guess you just couldn't make your point so you completely changed direction, with no prompting, totally on your own. Don't just throw in your random divergent arguments periodically in the middle of other arguments.

MHDTV · 07-31-2007, 11:03 PM

No, from the start we were arguing two different things. You act as if this is some sort of competition.

~~i get high sometimes~~ · 07-31-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MHDTV

Punk has had a greater cultural influence in the past 20 years.

No, we weren't, until you blurted in with ^^this post^^ no one was discussing cultural impact.

And even past that quote, where you mentioned cultural impact again, no one was talking about cultural impact.

Frances · 07-31-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by i get high sometimes

the style of music which has had the largest impact on the music industry of the past 20 years is ludicris.

sorry, I know this is taken out of context but I thought it was funny, isn't ludicris a rapper?

And yeah, before you whinge, it's probably spelt differently.

07-31-2007, 10:36 PM	#182 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	You're correct in your guess Frances. I lot of people my age won't even give Rap a chance, which is the crux of my argument. How influential can something be when it barely touched over half the populations radar. I like a more Hip-hop music then you do I am guessing and think eventually some of Rap's greatest artists will take there proper place in music history but that day IMO is a few decades away.

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~~i get high sometimes~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 240	Why you diverged from the original argument is beyond me. I guess you just couldn't make your point so you completely changed direction, with no prompting, totally on your own. Don't just throw in your random divergent arguments periodically in the middle of other arguments.