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Old 06-21-2007, 02:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If someone has control over the sounds being produced, it is music.
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What about machines? like, industrial sounds. are they controlled? the "music" they make is a bi-product of the machines actual purpose.
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Old 06-21-2007, 04:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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What about machines? like, industrial sounds. are they controlled? the "music" they make is a bi-product of the machines actual purpose.
not picking sides, just a question.
The machines themselves are making the noise, the noises are not being managed or controlled by human hands.
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The machines themselves are making the noise, the noises are not being managed or controlled by human hands.
So is it music?
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think all music has feelings and emotions. Thats how its created.
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Not at all really.

I can write a guitar part with no emotion attached to it, its still a melody, so its still music.

Thing is, an emotional reaction is like a fingerprint, they're different with everybody. Anybody can be moved by just about any kind of music.
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Not at all really.

I can write a guitar part with no emotion attached to it, its still a melody, so its still music.

Thing is, an emotional reaction is like a fingerprint, they're different with everybody. Anybody can be moved by just about any kind of music.
You can't write a guitar part without emotion. Even if the sound created was completely dischordant, your brain told you to make it that way to back up the fact. A machine can be emotionless. A human being is incapable of not showing emotion. Whether that emotion is never recognised by anyone else, it is still emotion. A machine runs on a linear scale. A human mind does not. All music that WE create is music, whether another human appreciates it or not.This thought process is emotional.
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You can't write a guitar part without emotion. Even if the sound created was completely dischordant, your brain told you to make it that way to back up the fact. A machine can be emotionless. A human being is incapable of not showing emotion. Whether that emotion is never recognised by anyone else, it is still emotion. A machine runs on a linear scale. A human mind does not. All music that WE create is music, whether another human appreciates it or not.This thought process is emotional.
Actually, that is a very good point. It all depends on how you define emotion really.

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So is it music?
No.

Now I expect you to retort with "what about loop machines? they make their own sounds" but the thing is someone programed it to make those specific sounds, and those sounds serve a musical purpose. So it is music. Its not like an industrial machine, like say a trencher, where the noise being made are just a by product of the machines actual job, it wasn't specifically what the machine was made to do.

And please don't give me a bunch of BS about telephones, alarm clocks and bull horns, that dosen't qualify as music either. Those sounds don't serve a musical purpose, so its not music, its just getting someones attention with really annoying sounds, like Michael Angelo Batio.
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No.

Now I expect you to retort with "what about loop machines? they make their own sounds" but the thing is someone programed it to make those specific sounds. Its not like an industrial machine, where the sounds being made are just a byproduct of the machines actual job, the sounds are not part of the machines job.

And please don't give me a bunch of BS about telephones and alarm clocks, that dosen't qualify as music either. Those sounds don't serve a musical purpose, so its not music, its just getting someones attention with really annoying sounds, like Michael Angelo Batio.
So, if I find a machine noise rhythmical is it not music? I've worked in a few factorys and I have often found myself bopping around to a machines repeditive sound. or am I just "Noise Jumping"
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I don't enjoy listening to Avril Lavigne.. but I still consider her output to be music.
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