The machines themselves are making the noise, the noises are not being managed or controlled by human hands.

music is what YOU enjoy listening to.

I don't enjoy listening to Avril Lavigne.. but I still consider her output to be music.

You can't write a guitar part without emotion. Even if the sound created was completely dischordant, your brain told you to make it that way to back up the fact. A machine can be emotionless. A human being is incapable of not showing emotion. Whether that emotion is never recognised by anyone else, it is still emotion. A machine runs on a linear scale. A human mind does not. All music that WE create is music, whether another human appreciates it or not.This thought process is emotional.

So is it music?

Actually, that is a very good point. It all depends on how you define emotion really.

No.

Now I expect you to retort with "what about loop machines? they make their own sounds" but the thing is someone programed it to make those specific sounds, and those sounds serve a musical purpose. So it is music. Its not like an industrial machine, like say a trencher, where the noise being made are just a by product of the machines actual job, it wasn't specifically what the machine was made to do.

And please don't give me a bunch of BS about telephones, alarm clocks and bull horns, that dosen't qualify as music either. Those sounds don't serve a musical purpose, so its not music, its just getting someones attention with really annoying sounds, like Michael Angelo Batio.

So, if I find a machine noise rhythmical is it not music? I've worked in a few factorys and I have often found myself bopping around to a machines repeditive sound. or am I just "Noise Jumping"

Unless you were using it to make those sounds yourself, then no.


Well, it can qualify as music to you if you choose to interpret it as music, and you can interpret almost anything as music. But most people don't interpret industrial noise to be music, thats part of the point.

I'm talking about the basic laws of music, just because you hear a melody in random noise dosent make it music, because that "melody" is coincidental, not intentional. Music has to be either made by man weither by hand or by programming or by some other living creature (So yeah, birds and whales singing, crickets chirping, that qualifies as music), or something made by man to manipulate nature specifically to create sounds, like Wind Chimes or Wind Harps.

I disagree. I don't believe most people make a definitive answer. If 1 person finds it to be music, you can't say it's not. because to them, it is! So, it is! Not for everybody, agreed. but for some, or even just that 1.

But shouldn't you be able to...in a perfect world.

And you just "METAL HEADS LOL"'d me in another thread...how dare you.


@ boo boo

Do you mean empirically it has no emotion? Like if I drag a bow across a strong theres no emotion inherently in that sound the arises? Im asking before I argue here.