Various Musicians Slaughter Classic Albums (lyrics, singer, dancing, techno)

Violent & Funky · 02-06-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shake

I pretty much agree with everything here. Nirvana was in the right place at the right time, and nothing more. If Kurt hadn't killed himself, they wouldn't have made such an impact.

They had already made a HUGE impact before Kurt died though...

Shake · 02-06-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

They had already made a HUGE impact before Kurt died though...

That's true, but my opinion is that there were a lot of other bands at the time who were much better than Nirvana.

Smashing Pumpkin's Siamese Dream
Soundgarden's Superunknown
Rage Against The Machine's ST album
Pearl Jam's Ten, VS, and Vitalogy
Tool's Undertow
Radiohead's Pablo Honey and (even though it was out after Kurt's Death) The Bends..............

The list goes on and on. Kurt became a martyr because he died. Their best days were behind them, again, in my opinion. Bleach was their best album, followed by (I guess) Nevermind. But In Utero was garbage. Muddy Banks was garbage. Incesticide was nothing more than b-sides and rare tracks.

So, right place at the right time, I guess. I don't feel like he ever did much worth really remembering.

I still, on a monthly basis, will listen to Soundgarden, Rage, and especially Pearl Jam. I would put any or all three of their frontmen ahead of Cobain as the "voice of the generation"

mr dave · 02-06-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shake

That's true, but my opinion is that there were a lot of other bands at the time who were much better than Nirvana.

Smashing Pumpkin's Siamese Dream
Soundgarden's Superunknown
Rage Against The Machine's ST album
Pearl Jam's Ten, VS, and Vitalogy
Tool's Undertow
Radiohead's Pablo Honey and (even though it was out after Kurt's Death) The Bends..............

aside from Ten (and Pablo Honey for other reasons) every single one of those albums owes a debt to Nevermind for busting open the door to the mainstream.

if anything it's Pearl Jam that got in the right place at the right time to squeeze into the mainstream. consider something with the classic rock swagger of 'Alive' being released to the mainstream just a few years later, like say '94. they would have been written off the same way Collective Soul did.

Pablo Honey was just plain bland and inoffensive, it was calculated adult contemporary drivel. lucky for us Johnny Greenwood hated what 'Creep' originally sounded like tried his damnedest to 'ruin' the song with his solo and subsequently helped move the band in a far less sucky direction. being that he repeated the style almost to a T for 'Just'.

crash_override · 03-29-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shake

That's true, but my opinion is that there were a lot of other bands at the time who were much better than Nirvana.

Smashing Pumpkin's Siamese Dream
Soundgarden's Superunknown
Rage Against The Machine's ST album
Pearl Jam's Ten, VS, and Vitalogy
Tool's Undertow
Radiohead's Pablo Honey and (even though it was out after Kurt's Death) The Bends..............

The list goes on and on. Kurt became a martyr because he died. Their best days were behind them, again, in my opinion. Bleach was their best album, followed by (I guess) Nevermind. But In Utero was garbage. Muddy Banks was garbage. Incesticide was nothing more than b-sides and rare tracks.

So, right place at the right time, I guess. I don't feel like he ever did much worth really remembering.

I still, on a monthly basis, will listen to Soundgarden, Rage, and especially Pearl Jam. I would put any or all three of their frontmen ahead of Cobain as the "voice of the generation"

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Originally Posted by mr dave

aside from Ten (and Pablo Honey for other reasons) every single one of those albums owes a debt to Nevermind for busting open the door to the mainstream.

if anything it's Pearl Jam that got in the right place at the right time to squeeze into the mainstream. consider something with the classic rock swagger of 'Alive' being released to the mainstream just a few years later, like say '94. they would have been written off the same way Collective Soul did.

Pablo Honey was just plain bland and inoffensive, it was calculated adult contemporary drivel. lucky for us Johnny Greenwood hated what 'Creep' originally sounded like tried his damnedest to 'ruin' the song with his solo and subsequently helped move the band in a far less sucky direction. being that he repeated the style almost to a T for 'Just'.

Not to mention that the members from Pearl Jam (when they were Mother Love Bone/Green River) and Soundgarden were playing the grunge scene even before Nirvana, so if anything, they influenced Nirvana. Then in turn, Nirvana broke through to mainstream, carrying others in the wake. So basically they all helped/influenced each other at some point.