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I don't think they are coming over at all pretentious. Why do people get upset if a classic get's knocked? It's all personal opinion.

My favourite band are mentioned PINK FLOYD, but I'm not aggreived at all. Does'nt make any difference whatsoever to me listening to them.

I concur about PET SOUNDS!

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I'm hardly upset, but saying something like :

"Trout Mask was highly regarded by post-punk bands because of its idiosyncratic approach to rhythm and song construction - but those bands were full of sh*t, weren't they?"

seems very pretentious to me, because he's basically saying that he knows better than all the other musicians who hold that record in such high regard. I'm all for expressing personal opinion, but when you say that a record isn't "a work of untutored genius, it was untutored crap" that strikes me as elitist and condescending. There are plenty of classic records that don't appeal to me, but I can still understand their significance and I don't go around saying they're crap.

btw, when I saw "Various Musicians Slaughter..." I thought this was going to be about that compilation of bands covering John Lennon songs... I heard the Green Day version of "Working Class Hero" and it almost made me cry...

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I have nothing but respect for the Flaming Lips, but I disagree strongly with his article on Nevermind, the "sounds just like Nickelback" line is particularly laughable. And I have little tollerance for mediocre no name artists like Billy Childish, The Kooks, Cornershop and The Hold Steady knocking down my favorites. What they do is insignificant enough as it is. And Franz Ferdinand are horrible, they have no right to criticize anybody. The only one I really agree with is Arrival.

Chump is right, all of these are really pretentious. They're essentially pulling a pitchfork. "Lets say stuff to piss off classic rock fans regardless of how retarded it makes us look".

Now if they had someone tear Turn On The Bright Lights, Moon & Antarctica or Pink Moon apart, I would have something positive to say.

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TheBig3

Well correct me if I'm wrong but he was saying that people say "they sound like nickleback" because we're inundated with that sound, so people hearing Nevermind after Nickleback would make that assumption.

I don't know if its laughable so much as it is accurate.

Also,

Not really. I can't imagine you find it illogical that people have dissenting opinions to over hyped bull****. And classic rock? I think it well beyond that. And come on, that velvet underground review was incredibly accurate.

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Actually no it's not, Nickelback don't sound like Nirvana either.

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It seems to me:

- You get all of your opinions from critics.

- Cannot fathom how people get any opinions dissenting to those.

- Cannot conceive of how people derive their own

- When they do, you relegate them to the work of madmen and morons with uninformed insults and a cadre of smiley face icons.

- You rarely, if ever, back up your opinions with any reasons (presumably, given the aforementioned statements because you can't make your own, or none were given to you). It just is or is not by your bearings.

- Everything you like smacks of pretension. I mean, did you really name drop Citizen Kane earlier in this thread? Why because its considered the greatest American film of all time? I'm sure you came in to weather some harsh criticism on that one.

- You hate Modest Mouse because he sings like ****, yet you claim to like Tom Waits who its evident Brock takes many a style and phrasing from. You claim to like David Bryne whom Brock probably takes the other 50% of his vocal styling from. So the two bands he's influenced by; Great. Him; shit.

Interesting Mr. Boo, I get the feeling that if this were 40 years ago you'd hate Led Zeppelin with the same amount of passion you hate Modest Mouse with, or more accurately, you'd hate Led Zep with the same amount of passion the critics did then.

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Mmm hmmm. No wonder I like Boston, Heart, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, Van Halen and some other bands who were the most critically reviled of their day. Queen, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were not well liked by critics either.

Not to mention many critics have come to the same conclusion that Wayne Coyne has. It's nothing new.

Well I am always right, so that must mean everyone else is wrong.

They get them from the opinion fairy.

Assuming you are refering to the album reviewers. Well, I hate the smugness of the musicians involved with indie/garage revivalism as it is, and I hate their music, their opinions aren't really deserving of my respect.

Its funny that you always call me the pretentious one. When you make so many far out claims such as to imply that I don't have any actual opinions of my own.

It is one of my favorite movies. But my favorite is American Beauty. I'm a buff for older movies.

Oh my I'm different than you, I'm pretentious wooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooo. I'm gonna read Leonard Cohens lyrics and go on about how great he is even though I never listen to his music. Wooooooooo hoooooooooo. I'm pretentious.

And thank you, you just called The White Stripes, Beck, Metallica, RATM and a lot of bands you like pretentious.

Yeah, I claim to like him, I actually think he's a piece of sh*t. I just want to be accepted.

Only Brock dosen't sound a thing like Waits, he borrows most of his stylings from Frank Black, whose vocals can be pretty grating.

So, its a law now that we have to like everything our favorite artists influence?

I don't really care who Brocks influences are, if he really is trying to imitate the styles of Byrne and Waits then it just comes to show how truly a horrible vocalist he really is, because he comes off sounding more like a cross between Bullwinkle and Daffy Duck.

No, because 40 years ago Led Zeppelin weren't the worst band currently making music and they were not getting their asses kissed by critics and annoying hipsters alike.

Not to mention you are being inconsistant now, I get all my opinions from critics, yet I feel obliged to hate everything they like? You never make any goddamn sense.

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