Are rappers really musicans? (lyrics, bass, rap, rock, amplifier)

RapSucks · 05-22-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by matious

and not all rappers are african american...

Absolutely, but there are people who will view it as a racist comment and that is absolutely NOT what I intend.

sleepy jack · 05-22-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RapSucks

I don't think have the screenname RapSucks is any different than have the screenname (inert band here)Sucks. I can't make a whole argument with my screenname.

Ok, still if really had some musical talent would you write your own beats and melodies?

Quite a few do actually, and rap is as music form. Music is sound, not instruments. I don't see why you needed to attack rappers for not playing instruments (which is a completely untrue generalization), it would just as much sense to bash Bruce Dickinson, Joey Ramone, and Robert Plant. I mean they just sing, they're not musicians technically. I guess they shouldn't receive any respect in the music field either right?

RapSucks · 05-22-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Quite a few do actually, and rap is as music form. Music is sound, not instruments. I don't see why you needed to attack rappers for not playing instruments (which is a completely untrue generalization), it would just as much sense to bash Bruce Dickinson, Joey Ramone, and Robert Plant. I mean they just sing, they're not musicians technically. I guess they shouldn't receive any respect in the music field either right?

Yea, if they aren't musicans.

**Janszoon** · 05-22-2007, 07:03 PM

Since "rap" only describes the vocal style it's pretty hard to make blanket statements about the music. There are groups like the Roots who are straight up bands that play regular instruments. There are people like Dizzee Rascal (yeah, yeah, I know he's grime, he raps damnit) who compose original music electronically. There are people like Outkast who are multi-instumentalists who play live instruments, compose electronically and sample depending on what they're doing. There are groups like Dalek who sample almost exclusively but do it in such an interesting way that they make the music completely their own.

All of it requires musical ability. Let me put it this way: I'm a musician who makes music that is both done on a laptop and performed on regular instruments and I almost never try to build songs out of long samples like some rap groups do. Why? Because it's an unbelievable pain in the ass to try to make it work well. It's far easier to play something on a regular instrument.

So in answer to your question: yes, they are musicians.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-22-2007, 07:06 PM

Playing 3 chords doesn't take much talent but you never see people saying are rock n roll bands / punk bands really musicians.

RapSucks · 05-22-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Playing 3 chords doesn't take much talent but you never see people saying are rock n roll bands / punk bands really musicians.

True but at least they're writing something of their own. No matter how simplistic it is.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-22-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RapSucks

True but at least they're writing something of their own. No matter how simplistic it is.

Bit of a blanket statement there.

RapSucks · 05-22-2007, 07:09 PM

There are non subjective parts to music. There's knowing how to play an instrument, knowing scales, and knowing how to read music. That's Music "IQ."

Sparky · 05-22-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RapSucks

There are non subjective parts to music. There's knowing how to play an instrument, knowing scales, and knowing how to read music. That's Music "IQ."

not every musician has known how to read notes(james brown)

swim · 05-22-2007, 07:16 PM

Some rappers write their lyrics, never sample a note, write their own beats and produce their own songs. So this thread in my mind is dumb. I think stealing riffs is just as bad/wrong/regressive as sampling. Which is all throughout rock music.

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05-22-2007, 07:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Since "rap" only describes the vocal style it's pretty hard to make blanket statements about the music. There are groups like the Roots who are straight up bands that play regular instruments. There are people like Dizzee Rascal (yeah, yeah, I know he's grime, he raps damnit) who compose original music electronically. There are people like Outkast who are multi-instumentalists who play live instruments, compose electronically and sample depending on what they're doing. There are groups like Dalek who sample almost exclusively but do it in such an interesting way that they make the music completely their own. All of it requires musical ability. Let me put it this way: I'm a musician who makes music that is both done on a laptop and performed on regular instruments and I almost never try to build songs out of long samples like some rap groups do. Why? Because it's an unbelievable pain in the ass to try to make it work well. It's far easier to play something on a regular instrument. So in answer to your question: yes, they are musicians.

05-22-2007, 07:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
RapSucks Groupie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 35	There are non subjective parts to music. There's knowing how to play an instrument, knowing scales, and knowing how to read music. That's Music "IQ."