Selling out (lead singer, blues, metal, rock, genre)

boo boo · 03-25-2007, 10:55 AM

Yeah.

I hate Nicky Wire with a passion however, for getting such a thrill out of insulting pretty much any musician with actual talent.

Moon Pix · 03-25-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah.

I hate Nicky Wire with a passion however, for getting such a thrill out of insulting pretty much any musician with actual talent.

He is a c*nt for sure but he has said the odd thing thats hard to argue with.

The best thing you can do basically is just tell everybody you've got no principles and then you can do what you want. Youre totally free. Thats punk rock.

Loser · 03-25-2007, 01:29 PM

I think Avenged Sevenfold sold out....I mean with the song Seize The Day and the worst album City Of Evil......Not to mention playing with Green Day and Good Charlotte, I miss the old AV7X

boo boo · 03-25-2007, 01:39 PM

Playing with Good Charlotte dosen't make you a sellout, it's just a very poor business decision.

Loser · 03-25-2007, 01:43 PM

The old Avenged Sevenfold would've never of though to do that.....And the City Of Evil compared to Sounding The Seventh Trumpet way different....Where were the screams in City Of Evil?

Moon Pix · 03-25-2007, 01:50 PM

If I understand Boo Boo's various arguments right there is one thing he has said that I will agree with and thats when he talks about indie being pretentious at times.

All too often the Pitchfork Media crowd will defend bad song writing by claiming that its 'difficult' or 'artistically uncompromising' and that because of this only the truly enlightened will get it. When you see an album described as difficult it basically means that the guitars are probably out of tune, the singer can't sing a sh*tsworth and the lyrics are extremely bad. Sewn to the Sky is difficult. "Juicy Juicy Juice" and "The Banana Question" are difficult. The Godz are difficult. They arent unlistenable trash. No, thats what you thought but we the enlightened know that they are merely too 'difficult' for such cultural philistines such as you the listener to understand. Basically what this does is create an elite of listenership in order to make the enlightened feel better about themselves because they can listen to extremely obscure records with no commercial potential whatsoever and so are 'the true alternative.' Personally I just call it bad musicianship, bad songwriting and bad recording and labelling it as 'difficult' doesnt change that.

Its the same sh*t estate agents pull. Its not small and cramped. No its cosy.

Its a f*cking cupboard mate.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-25-2007, 02:36 PM

Although I do think thats true in some ways I don't think always the case.
I don't see good or bad musicianship as the be all & end all of everything.I enjoy a bit of difficulty. I'm more likely to listen to a song more if I can't decide if I like it or not because every listen of it is a challenge.

For example people always go on about how much of a great guitarist Dave Gilmour is. Now that may well be true but when he plays stuff from the Syd Barrett era to me it just sounds all wrong. Syd Barrett might not have been a great guitarist but when he played those songs he gave them character , to me when Gilmour plays them he just sounds like some session musician trying his best to get the right sound but totally missing the point.

right-track · 03-25-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

For example people always go on about how much of a great guitarist Dave Gilmour is. Now that may well be true but when he plays stuff from the Syd Barrett era to me it just sounds all wrong. Syd Barrett might not have been a great guitarist but when he played those songs he gave them character , to me when Gilmour plays them he just sounds like some session musician trying his best to get the right sound but totally missing the point.

I think the same about Eric Clapton playing the blues.
This comment of mine should really belong in the 'Unpopular Music Opinion' thread, but on reading your opinion of Gilmour, which I agree with, I felt I had to comment.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-25-2007, 03:11 PM

Yeah Claptons work has always left me cold too apart from a couple of Cream albums.
To me his music always seemed slick , over produced & soulless.

Which to me is the total opposite of what blues should be about.

right-track · 03-25-2007, 03:22 PM

I think I've said this before on these boards (ages ago) that Clapton lacked the natural feel for the blues that someone like SRV (for example) oozed.
Your comment about Gilmour and Barrett is similar, in that I don't think it's possible for Gilmour to feel Barrett's music in the same way.
All great guitarists, but if you don't make it your own, it remains a technical zero.

03-25-2007, 01:50 PM	#76 (permalink)
Moon Pix In a very sad sad zoo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: "Out on tour with Smashing Pumpkins, nature kids, they don't have no function" Posts: 363	If I understand Boo Boo's various arguments right there is one thing he has said that I will agree with and thats when he talks about indie being pretentious at times. All too often the Pitchfork Media crowd will defend bad song writing by claiming that its 'difficult' or 'artistically uncompromising' and that because of this only the truly enlightened will get it. When you see an album described as difficult it basically means that the guitars are probably out of tune, the singer can't sing a shtsworth and the lyrics are extremely bad. Sewn to the Sky* is difficult. "Juicy Juicy Juice" and "The Banana Question" are difficult. The Godz are difficult. They arent unlistenable trash. No, thats what you thought but we the enlightened know that they are merely too 'difficult' for such cultural philistines such as you the listener to understand. Basically what this does is create an elite of listenership in order to make the enlightened feel better about themselves because they can listen to extremely obscure records with no commercial potential whatsoever and so are 'the true alternative.' Personally I just call it bad musicianship, bad songwriting and bad recording and labelling it as 'difficult' doesnt change that. Its the same sht estate agents pull. Its not small and cramped. No its cosy. Its a fcking cupboard mate. __________________ There’s a dream that I see, I pray it can be Look 'cross the land, shake this land - "Maybe Not", C. Marshall

03-25-2007, 02:36 PM	#77 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Although I do think thats true in some ways I don't think always the case. I don't see good or bad musicianship as the be all & end all of everything.I enjoy a bit of difficulty. I'm more likely to listen to a song more if I can't decide if I like it or not because every listen of it is a challenge. For example people always go on about how much of a great guitarist Dave Gilmour is. Now that may well be true but when he plays stuff from the Syd Barrett era to me it just sounds all wrong. Syd Barrett might not have been a great guitarist but when he played those songs he gave them character , to me when Gilmour plays them he just sounds like some session musician trying his best to get the right sound but totally missing the point. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-25-2007, 03:11 PM	#79 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Yeah Claptons work has always left me cold too apart from a couple of Cream albums. To me his music always seemed slick , over produced & soulless. Which to me is the total opposite of what blues should be about. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-25-2007, 01:29 PM	#73 (permalink)
Loser The Professor Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 1,113	I think Avenged Sevenfold sold out....I mean with the song Seize The Day and the worst album City Of Evil......Not to mention playing with Green Day and Good Charlotte, I miss the old AV7X

03-25-2007, 01:43 PM	#75 (permalink)
Loser The Professor Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 1,113	The old Avenged Sevenfold would've never of though to do that.....And the City Of Evil compared to Sounding The Seventh Trumpet way different....Where were the screams in City Of Evil?

03-25-2007, 03:22 PM	#80 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	I think I've said this before on these boards (ages ago) that Clapton lacked the natural feel for the blues that someone like SRV (for example) oozed. Your comment about Gilmour and Barrett is similar, in that I don't think it's possible for Gilmour to feel Barrett's music in the same way. All great guitarists, but if you don't make it your own, it remains a technical zero.