Seeing a band live (tickets, techno, country, bass, metal)

DearJenny · 12-17-2006, 11:56 PM

Am I the only one who thinks live performance is half the bands talent? I mean, I noticed a recent fued about album sales and fan base in the country rock thread and I agree with Oojay....who cares if an album is really that good if theres no fan base. But really, a band that can sell out a place, and in the case of my favorite music, metal, get a really nice mosh going, is talent to me. Whether the music is technically good or just catchy, I believe fan base is a key. Sure there are underground bands that are technically AMAZING and sure are talented in a musical sense but obviously they arent talented enough to manipulate cd sales and other ways to grow a fan base, make some money, sell out some shows, perform their ASSES off to the people that made them big. A good band plays to the people IMO. If your joy comes from making music, do it. But dont expect to be financially successful.

Even if the music is sub-par, having great stage presence by far makes up for it. Successful artists are somewhat actors. They play for YOU! Then it contradicts what many are saying....by projecting so much emotion on stage, that brings emotion to the song and by writing from emotion, doesnt that make songwriting good? So even though some may say a few of my music choices are technically shit, at least I enjoy myself going to the sold out shows, jumping around, moshing until I get bruised up, screaming my lungs out and ultimately LOVING the night. Its all about persepective and from my own, I'm having a hell of a time loving the bands that I do because they're playing for me!

I expect to see this thread closed quickly. Discuss while you can!

~~hiu~~ · 12-18-2006, 01:26 AM

This thread is stupid.

/close

DearJenny · 12-18-2006, 01:34 AM

^Its not stupid. Its an opinion I want to discuss. I believe a band's ability to perform live well is important.

~~hiu~~ · 12-18-2006, 01:41 AM

Jandek never preformed live for 26 years since his first album and built up a strong following without anyone even knowing who he was. So no, I don't think preforming live is necessary.

Merkaba · 12-18-2006, 02:18 AM

A bands ability to perform live is generally important.

But how can you expect a band to be big with lots of fans when you won't go see them unless they're already big?

Most bands do perform truly amazing sets, Electric Wizard used to be shit live but when they finally got their speakers to cope with the bass they have quickly built a strong demand for live shows. And I'd far sooner go listen to that than some band with huge fans and half-way music.

"Oh Slipknot are unbelievable live why can't other bands be like them?"
"Have you seen High on Fire play?"
"Who?"

or;

"You should come see this band this Friday their amazing, tickets only 5 bucks at the door"
"Is it a sellout?"
"Nah they're fairly new, not too many people know them"
"Oh nah I'm not too interested"

DearJenny · 12-18-2006, 09:36 AM

^Denying a five dollar ticket is truely stupid. Anyone really interested in music would want to pay a few bucks to see a new band live, including opening bands. I look forward to opening bands every concert I go to.

NaNaNer · 12-18-2006, 09:40 AM

I think that "live" music is a key to really enjoying a bands talent. Hearing them on album is like hearing a sugar coated version of what they sound like...after technology has worked its magic in the studio..you begin to wonder what the vocals and instruments sound live..plus you wanna see stage presence..

~~The Unfan~~ · 12-18-2006, 10:21 AM

No? If a band sucks live that doesn't make the music on album any worse. The two abilities (writing, and having stupidly expensive gear to perform with live) are totally seperate from one another. To say a band isn't good because of their lack of presence live is pretty damn stupid. There is nothing wrong with using technology to make your music better.

NaNaNer · 12-18-2006, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiu

Jandek never preformed live for 26 years since his first album and built up a strong following without anyone even knowing who he was. So no, I don't think preforming live is necessary.

Live performaces are not necessary...but...I do believe that if you perform live and you do it well..you will have a bigger fan base...a lot of bands dont get recognized until they are seen live..rather its in a jam packed arena or a small town bar...

NaNaNer · 12-18-2006, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Unfan

No? If a band sucks live that doesn't make the music on album any worse. The two abilities (writing, and having stupidly expensive gear to perform with live) are totally seperate from one another. To say a band isn't good because of their lack of presence live is pretty damn stupid. There is nothing wrong with using technology to make your music better.

I was a huge Deftones fan...I had all their albums....LOVED them..saw them live and thought "wtf" is Chino doing..they sucked...and after that I disregarded them as one of my favs bands cause the studio made them sound good..not so much "raw" talent..

12-17-2006, 11:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
DearJenny Raptor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 1,321	Seeing a band live Am I the only one who thinks live performance is half the bands talent? I mean, I noticed a recent fued about album sales and fan base in the country rock thread and I agree with Oojay....who cares if an album is really that good if theres no fan base. But really, a band that can sell out a place, and in the case of my favorite music, metal, get a really nice mosh going, is talent to me. Whether the music is technically good or just catchy, I believe fan base is a key. Sure there are underground bands that are technically AMAZING and sure are talented in a musical sense but obviously they arent talented enough to manipulate cd sales and other ways to grow a fan base, make some money, sell out some shows, perform their ASSES off to the people that made them big. A good band plays to the people IMO. If your joy comes from making music, do it. But dont expect to be financially successful. Even if the music is sub-par, having great stage presence by far makes up for it. Successful artists are somewhat actors. They play for YOU! Then it contradicts what many are saying....by projecting so much emotion on stage, that brings emotion to the song and by writing from emotion, doesnt that make songwriting good? So even though some may say a few of my music choices are technically shit, at least I enjoy myself going to the sold out shows, jumping around, moshing until I get bruised up, screaming my lungs out and ultimately LOVING the night. Its all about persepective and from my own, I'm having a hell of a time loving the bands that I do because they're playing for me! I expect to see this thread closed quickly. Discuss while you can! __________________ So here's to living life miserable. And here's to all the lonely stories that I've told. Maybe drinking wine will validate my sorrow. Every man needs a muse and mine could be the bottle. Last edited by DearJenny; 12-18-2006 at 12:04 AM.

12-18-2006, 01:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
DearJenny Raptor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 1,321	^Its not stupid. Its an opinion I want to discuss. I believe a band's ability to perform live well is important. __________________ So here's to living life miserable. And here's to all the lonely stories that I've told. Maybe drinking wine will validate my sorrow. Every man needs a muse and mine could be the bottle.

12-18-2006, 02:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	A bands ability to perform live is generally important. But how can you expect a band to be big with lots of fans when you won't go see them unless they're already big? Most bands do perform truly amazing sets, Electric Wizard used to be shit live but when they finally got their speakers to cope with the bass they have quickly built a strong demand for live shows. And I'd far sooner go listen to that than some band with huge fans and half-way music. "Oh Slipknot are unbelievable live why can't other bands be like them?" "Have you seen High on Fire play?" "Who?" or; "You should come see this band this Friday their amazing, tickets only 5 bucks at the door" "Is it a sellout?" "Nah they're fairly new, not too many people know them" "Oh nah I'm not too interested" __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

12-18-2006, 09:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
DearJenny Raptor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 1,321	^Denying a five dollar ticket is truely stupid. Anyone really interested in music would want to pay a few bucks to see a new band live, including opening bands. I look forward to opening bands every concert I go to. __________________ So here's to living life miserable. And here's to all the lonely stories that I've told. Maybe drinking wine will validate my sorrow. Every man needs a muse and mine could be the bottle.

12-18-2006, 01:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	This thread is stupid. /close

12-18-2006, 01:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Jandek never preformed live for 26 years since his first album and built up a strong following without anyone even knowing who he was. So no, I don't think preforming live is necessary.

12-18-2006, 09:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
NaNaNer Truth Seeker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Hallway Posts: 489	I think that "live" music is a key to really enjoying a bands talent. Hearing them on album is like hearing a sugar coated version of what they sound like...after technology has worked its magic in the studio..you begin to wonder what the vocals and instruments sound live..plus you wanna see stage presence..

12-18-2006, 10:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	No? If a band sucks live that doesn't make the music on album any worse. The two abilities (writing, and having stupidly expensive gear to perform with live) are totally seperate from one another. To say a band isn't good because of their lack of presence live is pretty damn stupid. There is nothing wrong with using technology to make your music better.