DwnWthVwls

Beastie Boys do not have complex rhyme schemes and wordplay like Em.

Not a big fan of either of them but if I had to choose I'd rather listen to Em.

You have to know the song I was referring to:



are you trolling again?

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Soulflower

I did and this was the second video I watched.



I thought this performance was interesting and I liked the way he used his hands while singing but I can not get into his singing. His singing style as well as music is not innovative. People were doing it before him.

Goofle

All about personal preference, but I doubt anybody is listening to Beastie Boys for their complex lyrics in the first place.

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DwnWthVwls

Agreed Goofle. That's just one of the things I listen for and generally makes me prefer one artist over another.

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Soulflower

Yea same

The Beastie Boys were more experimental with their music and their music crossed over into other genres.

However, both are talented acts but I personally think they are both overrated in certain capacities.

Frownland

Could you give an example of an earlier version of Hoist That Rag? Or this track?



Or this one? Could you show me some blues polka klezmer jazz that came before this? I'd love to hear it.



Just because he has his roots in blues doesn't strip him of innovation. Dälek has it's roots in hip hop and shoe gaze and industrial, but that doesn't make them any less innovative. Waits has had a massive career, some of it is more standard like what you posted, but by and large he's a creature of innovation.

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Soulflower

Agree. I think their appeal has more to do with their production and eclectic experimentation.

Necromancer

Beastie Boys had more originality and funk to their baselines than Eminem. Pass The Mic for example is a classic.
Eminem on the other hand is the best lyricist and rapper.

Soulflower

Yea me too.

A singer does not have to necessarily be the strongest i.e. Madonna, Janet etc but they at least have to have a pleasant/pretty sounding voice for me to listen to them.

I can't get passed his vocals so I can not listen to his music. The production of his music is okay but once again no different than what I have heard from various singers before his time. I looked him up and he was mostly popular in the 70's.


People always say I talk about race to much but this is kinda why. I often see people always saying certain white acts innovated things that they did not and its very troubling and frustrating. People really think this man innovated Jazz and blues? Really??? I will never understand it.

Frownland

Nobody's saying that. There are definitely parts of his discography that are not innovative, that's for sure. But when people discuss Tom Waits' innovation, they're usually talking about, you know, the INNOVATIVE part of his career. So you do talk about race too much because you ignore what people are actually saying to plug in your buzz topic. Look at the videos I posted earlier, it has blues and jazz roots but it's still very much its own thing. Here's another for you

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