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Old 09-30-2014, 07:43 PM   #9391 (permalink)
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Japanese Shoegaze equals and in some instances surpasses British shoegaze.
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:30 PM   #9392 (permalink)
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Japanese Shoegaze equals and in some instances surpasses British shoegaze.
Nah, the only reason people care is they all know kung fu.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:33 PM   #9393 (permalink)
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Nah, the only reason people care is they all know kung fu.
I think you mean karate.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:37 PM   #9394 (permalink)
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I think you mean karate.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:44 PM   #9395 (permalink)
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It's disrespectful for you to bring his skin color up whilst having a discussion with myself and Frownland on the matter, as if we are part of it. We don't think he is the greatest, far from it actually (guessing on his part).

As I said, it's fine if you want to bring race into the matter when discussing a wider consensus, but don't act as though we have formed our opinions on that basis. Especially when you have been given musical reasons as to why an opinion has been formed.

Can you please explain how it is disrespectful?

Did I say Goofle you only like Eminem because he is white?

No I did not.

I generally stated my unpopular opinion and I did not address you or Frown when I said it.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:46 PM   #9396 (permalink)
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Are you asking me this question or is this just a general comment?
No love I was asking that question for anybody.
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Old 09-30-2014, 10:49 PM   #9397 (permalink)
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I think you mean karate.
Batty has the tendency to get things backwards, just roll with it.

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Nah, the only reason people care is they all know kung fu.
most definitely
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:04 PM   #9398 (permalink)
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Flow-wise I've never heard anything from any of them that really put to Em to shame. He's at least as good, and often better. Lyrically, yeah, he whines too much about his mother, but the emotional honesty he puts into his music is astounding. His music can be totally raw, and even his silly singles could only have been made by him. And Eminem has a perfectly big catalog of classics.
Like I said in another thread, Em is talented and I like his first two albums but none of his albums have been as great as Tupac's 7 Day Theory of Illmatic. I am not refering to impact, I am referring to overall artistry, lyrical word play and delivery.

What songs does he have that you consider classics?

How are songs like Just Lose It, Slim Shady, Ass Like That, Shake That, etc classics or lyrically compelling? Em is clever and witty with his lyrics but he is no where in the same category as genius Nas. Eminem would even tell you that.


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If Em is overrated for being white, that's generally only among other white people, cause a sizable portion of black people don't even take him seriously just because he's white.
He is overrated for the same reasons Elvis and Justin Timberlake are. Its okay for white people to make black music and become successful. However, we can not become successful doing rock or cross over music.

I did not make the rules but to argue that part of his success is not because of his race is absurd when it actually has had big part in it and has alot to do with his appeal.

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A.) I love Illmatic. It's a classic, but it's still dated as hell. B.) Don't play the race card just to claim superiority. It's bull****; I don't have to be black to appreciate his message (I also don't have to be gay to take offense at "My style switches up like a faggot".)

I just notice that when it comes to certain rappers and certain political music minorities can appreciate it more because they have been through the struggle and they live it. I made that comment because I notice some people were minimizing the Illmatic album

Eminem has not done anything has compelling as Illmatic.
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They also inducted Michael Jackson and Grand Master P, two artists who are in no way shape or form rock 'n' roll. They induct who will get attention, and people care a lot more about the Beastie Boys than they do about WAR.

And about Eminem's cultural impact vs. Nas'. Eminem has had impact on popular culture that far, far outstrips Nas. You wanna talk about icons? Eminem is one of the biggest icons of the last twenty years, bar none.
The RHFO inductions are artists who made an cultural impact on the industry not necessarily rock music specifically. There are a ton of artists before those two that were not rock artists.


Beastie Boys did not deserve to get in before WAR, a band that came out before them and had a bigger influence. They always snub the black bands.

Eminem is not better than Nas. I don't care how popular he is.
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Old 09-30-2014, 11:15 PM   #9400 (permalink)
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I just notice that when it comes to certain rappers and certain political music minorities can appreciate it more because they have been through the struggle and they live it. I made that comment because I notice some people were minimizing the Illmatic album
People, including me, are commenting on Illmatic because it's the kind of album that always makes "best hip hop of the 90s" type lists and we feel it's overrated. Regardless of whether you like it or not, it's certainly not some overlooked thing that only the select few appreciate.
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