Unpopular Music Opinions

blackdragon123 · 08-12-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I never said he was NOT talented but he is average in comparision to Jackie, James and Little Richard.

Of course you are judging Elvis on his talent, but what I will say is that if you continue to push forward your earnest opinions broadly, and without hesitation on the subject of racial politics in the music industry as you have done in this thread and others, you may begin to grate on people, and you may find yourself appearing quite racially prejudiced.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I still disagree.

When I see Elvis twisting his legs and moving his hips. He is imitating Jackie Wilson and it is nothing original.

I wonder if the artist in question was African American would people have no problem with that artist copying other artist and being credited for it. People are so quick to trash MJ but not Elvis, its disgusting.

So far what I'm seeing from you, is nothing but an argument that Elvis and what he did was merely borrowed from others, and somehow that takes away from his talent or merit, what he contributed to the music he played. It doesn't matter who the band, or the person is. There will always be bands or artists before them where they draw inspiration from. Whether or not Elvis just took his little dances or theatrical stage appeal from people he admired, hardly takes away from who he was as an artist; an incredible talent.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

Elvis was a white imitation of black music and entertainers. I rather watch the real kings and originators: Chuck, Little Richard, Jackie Wilson, etc because they are real Rock N Roll and Blues.

I also find it disgusting that the white media insist on claiming Elvis originated Rock N Roll and Blues when he did not.

Actually the truth needs to be said especially on a board like this that seems biased towards African American artists.

This is just ridiculous. Sorry.

Also sorry for my double posting...merge please, mod?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-12-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I still disagree.

When I see Elvis twisting his legs and moving his hips. He is imitating Jackie Wilson and it is nothing original.

I wonder if the artist in question was African American would people have no problem with that artist copying other artist and being credited for it. People are so quick to trash MJ but not Elvis, its disgusting.

How many times do you see Jeffrey Daniel get credit for the moonwalk compared to MJ?

And even Daniel says he stole it from someone else.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-12-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

I'd just like to say...

Absolutely in no way does it take away from Elvis' merit or talent that the majority of his material, are covers. As was stated by many others before me. Being that a lot of his music was a cover song. That man managed to pull off something spectacular because he was genuine talent, he was a fabulous entertainer/singer. If any person can actually say seriously that Elvis was not all that talented of a fellow, or he has no merit or contribution to the music he played...sir or madam, the door is over there, please leave with your opinions.

Just saying, haha...

realtalk92

People don't need to be attractive to be successful, nor talented. There's examples of artists that prove that true. And you sound a bit ignorant to say Elvis contributed nothing innovative to the music he made a career out of. Sir. I'm just not so sure about you sometimes.

I think its ignorant that a board like this insists that an African American artist like MJ is overrated BUT yet he WROTE good pop songs and 90 percent of his catalogue, enhanced the music video and made it into an art form and came up with iconic original moves but the posters here insist a marketing product like Elvis should be called the King of Rock N Roll simply because he made bland imitations of Blues and copied a bunch of black performers.

Oh the irony....

.... that is what is ignorant.

For the record, I never said he was not talented or tried to take his success away BUT no I will never insist or go along with the false propaganda that he originally created Rock N Roll, no sorry. I ain't falling for the okie doke. I am not a sir, I am a woman, sir.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I think its ignorant that a board like this insists that an African American artist like MJ is overrated BUT yet he WROTE good pop songs and 90 percent of his catalogue, enhanced the music video and made it into an art form and came up with iconic original moves but the posters here insist a marketing product like Elvis should be called the King of Rock N Roll simply because he made bland imitations of Blues and copied a bunch of black performers.

Oh the irony....

.... that is what is ignorant.

You're still preaching this? And you're missing my point, and not only mine.

I can only digress at this point and let you keep on what you're on about.

You can call an artists over rated, it is not blasphemy. I'm sure the people that have called MJ that also made it clear that MJ was indeed a talented individual. But I would guess you ignored that to keep on your war path.

blackdragon123 · 08-12-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

I think its ignorant that a board like this insists that an African American artist like MJ is overrated BUT yet he WROTE good pop songs and 90 percent of his catalogue, enhanced the music video and made it into an art form and came up with iconic original moves but the posters here insist a marketing product like Elvis should be called the King of Rock N Roll simply because he made bland imitations of Blues and copied a bunch of black performers.

Oh the irony....

.... that is what is ignorant.

For the record, I never said he was not talented or tried to take his success away BUT no I will never insist or go along with the false propaganda that he originally created Rock N Roll, no sorry. I ain't falling for the okie doke

If you are unable to discuss the matter without steering this into a racist dog-fight then I'm not sure the conversation can continue

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blackdragon123

If you are unable to discuss the matter without steering this into a racist dog-fight then I'm not sure the conversation can continue

Sort of what I just said too, I agree.

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-12-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

How many times do you see Jeffrey Daniel get credit for the moonwalk compared to MJ?

And even Daniel says he stole it from someone else.

Michael said OUT HIS MOUTH that he did NOT create the moonwalk.

When did Elvis say OUT HIS MOUTH that Jackie inspired him and that is where he got his moves from?

Michael openly said MULITPLE times who his influences were so lets not try that.

Elvis has not. Elvis has NEVER said a black artist or performer inspired him.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 08-12-2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

Elvis has not. Elvis has NEVER said a black artist or performer inspired him.

You know this how, exactly? Were you around to read his every interview? Pretty arrogant to make a claim like that against someone.