Unpopular Music Opinions

RoxyRollah · 03-10-2014, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

If anybody listens to REAL Hip Hop they know that 2pac is far superior to Biggie lyrically and music wise.

Biggie had catchier songs because his songs were gimmicky. Biggie was/is a better "Jay Z" nothing, nothing less...

HOWEVER, Biggie had catchier songs and classics BUT 2pac was far more talented lyrically and as a writer.

I like Biggie but he is overrated. 2pac on the other hand deserves the acclaim he gets.

No, you can't be serious right now?
I think though they are both way way way way over rated though.They are good, but they are not the patron saints of hip hop that they are so often painted as!

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Interesting...

So it's okay for black people to ask for my change when I'm on the bus? It's okay for black people to ask me if they can use my cell phone as they're getting off the bus? It's okay for black people to bum cigarettes off of white people?! What if I want a cigarette, do I get to just bum one off a black guy because he's black?!? I DON'T SMOKE NEWPORTS!!!

Huh?

This does not make any sense...

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Yeah they hated him so much they just disguised the sweary bits with record scratches & played them anyway.

Michael Jackson is the second biggest solo act of all time but he was still heavily criticized, bashed and ridiculed by the media.

Just because an artist sells records does not necessarily mean they are in the media's good graces or they do not get criticized.

It is really misinformed to say Tupac was not criticized. Most of his criticism related to his music and his political opinions on how African Americans were being treated. He didn't only say his political opinions in his music. He boldly stated his opinions in interviews, tv shows, etc.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

I guess violence, writing diss songs and making threats within the black community is ok then.

Why not research the history of how it was created instead of making generic assumptions about what Hip Hop is?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-10-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

Michael Jackson is the second biggest solo act of all time but he was still heavily criticized, bashed and ridiculed by the media.

Just because an artist sells records does not necessarily mean they are in the media's good graces or they do not get criticized.

It is really misinformed to say Tupac was not criticized. Most of his criticism related to his music and his political opinions on how African Americans were being treated. He didn't only say his political opinions in his music. He boldly stated his opinions in interviews, tv shows, etc.

All I said was that he was heavily played on the radio at the time despite what they may have thought of him, which he was.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

If you are going to go around saying that's how Hip Hop is created and educating people on the beginnings on Hip Hop.

You might want to take a step back and acknowledge the fact that Hip Hop mostly started out as party anthem club music. Look at Rapper's Delight. It was DJ scratching, MCs doing their thing and Break dancers getting down.

When did I say that Hip Hop does not have dance music?

I don't think I ever implied that. Hip Hop has many sub genres within it as well.I just said that the genre OVERALL was originally created and used as an outlet for black youth and African Americans because of the way the system was treating them. Hip Hop is more than a genre. It is almost a culture within itself and way of life. Break dancing, beat boxing, clothing, music, movement etc is all apart of that.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Conscious hip hop didn't come until a bit later with Grandmaster Flash's The Message and Public Enemy.

This is not about conscious hip hop. This is about the history of Hip Hop and how it was created.

Hip Hop was created on the struggles and tribulations of African Americans. Conscious hip hop music or not it was all constructed based on that reason.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Also don't try to pass off Tupac like he was some patron saint. He had a few conscious songs but most of the rest of his material was gangsta rap, party songs and fucking women.

I am not passing him off as a "saint". I just think compared to Biggie he was an overall better MC with stronger material. He also cared more about social and political issues that he was willing to lose his career for.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

All I said was that he was heavily played on the radio at the time despite what they may have thought of him, which he was.

All his political songs were not playing on the radio. Some of his songs were banned from the radio and Biggie had more popular songs than him on the radio.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-10-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

All his political songs were not playing on the radio. Some of his songs were banned from the radio and Biggie had more popular songs than him on the radio.

So?
That's true of loads of artists who still get played a lot on the radio.
As for who got played more I can only go by what I heard at the time and I'd never even heard of Biggie Smalls until after he died, whereas I heard 2Pac constantly on the radio in his lifetime.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

So?
That's true of loads of artists who still get played a lot on the radio.
As for who got played more I can only go by what I heard at the time and I'd never even heard of Biggie Smalls until after he died, whereas I heard 2Pac constantly on the radio in his lifetime.

Biggie was far more commercial than 2pac.

And some artists have never had a song banned so that is not true for "most artists"

My point was his songs were banned because they were "political"

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-10-2014, 11:11 AM

I didn't say most, I said loads.

And so what if they were banned he still got loads of radio play at the time so what does it matter?

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