Unpopular Music Opinions

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 08-11-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

That's true. In addition to being pop they are also crap.

starrynight · 08-11-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

That is not really an opinion either - that is a slight.

Punk music didn't kill Prog, the one two punch that killed Prog - Bill Bruford left Yes; Peter Gabriel left Genesis.

There's a lot more to progressive music that the famous biggest marketed groups.

bob. · 08-11-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine

RATM is a bad band. The vocals are horrible on each album. And they paved the way for similar, even worse bands.

i agree with this statement 100%.....what really pisses me off about RATM is that Zack was in one of the greatest hardcore bands(Inside Out) and left it to go do this crap.....

^proof that white people got no soul...but can scream like no other

The Batlord · 08-11-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Albums since the invention of the CD are too long.

There are very few bands that can hold my full attention with something like 14-18 songs on an album that lasts well over an hour.

35 to 50 mins with 10 songs is just fine thank you.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Albums these days are just juke boxes. I actually had an old retard "friend" of mine telll me that if a CD didn't have at least (AT LEAST!) twelve tracks on it, it wasn't worth buying. I also hate calling a song a track. It degrades the concept of a song and just turns it into just another interchangeable piece of filler on an album.

Antonio · 08-11-2011, 12:08 PM

-Fear Factory sucks

-Dixie Dregs' Free Fall is one of the best jazz fusion albums ever

-Superjoint Ritual > Pantera

-Gucci Mane, Lil B, and Waka Flocka are great artists, if only in their pure terribleness

-Composition >>>>>> Experimentation

TockTockTock · 08-11-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

-Composition >>>>>> Experimentation

Wait... are you trying to say that you prefer a more conventional approach to songwriting over a less conventional, more experimental approach? Experimentation is used in composition and composition is used in experimentation. They're two almost interchangeable terms really... I mean... in a way, composing music is just experimenting with what sounds best to you when music is arranged a certain way.

Neapolitan · 08-12-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I think better put is: Prog never died, it's popularity died. Disco also would probably be a well bigger culprit, anyway.

Nah, Disco had a different demographic; there was already a divide between underground Rock and mainstream Top 40 Pop. If anything Disco claimed those who listen to cheesy Top 40 at the time. Prog wasn't meant to be Top 40, and it appealed to AOR crowd, some people call them Classic Rock elistist - whatever. :/

Think about it - Why would the Popularity of Prog die when there was always niche for it? Prog's popularity segued into Pomp Rock as far as listeners and the new bands that followed the old guard at that time. I wouldn't say "died" I would say "Prog didn't died it's got ignored and slipped into obscurity" imo Marillion and Saga (maybe I will get accused of using popular Prog names for mentioning them but I couldn't think of any other) anyway they were not treated as royalty like Pink Floyd and was it's not because of their popularity for that type of music died. (When I said that about PF I'm talking about how radio airplay and they presented in rock-docs) If I had to point to a cause I would say it was corporate "been there done that" what's new mentality. Generally speaking once a genre piques the public curiosity it peaks corporately and then music business is looking for the next big thing, and for genre all that's left are hardcore fans and cult followings keeping that alive.

Unknown Soldier · 08-12-2011, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Nah, Disco had a different demographic; there was already a divide between underground Rock and mainstream Top 40 Pop. If anything Disco claimed those who listen to cheesy Top 40 at the time. Prog wasn't meant to be Top 40, and it appealed to AOR crowd, some people call them Classic Rock elistist - whatever. :/

Think about it - Why would the Popularity of Prog die when there was always niche for it? Prog's popularity segued into Pomp Rock as far as listeners and the new bands that followed the old guard at that time. I wouldn't say "died" I would say "Prog didn't died it's got ignored and slipped into obscurity" imo Marillion and Saga (maybe I will get accused of using popular Prog names for mentioning them but I couldn't think of any other) anyway they were not treated as royalty like Pink Floyd and was it's not because of their popularity for that type of music died. (When I said that about PF I'm talking about how radio airplay and they presented in rock-docs) If I had to point to a cause I would say it was corporate "been there done that" what's new mentality. Generally speaking once a genre piques the public curiosity it peaks corporately and then music business is looking for the next big thing, and for genre all that's left are hardcore fans and cult followings keeping that alive.

I`d say most of what you`ve written in regards to prog as popular genre finally merging into either pomp or just plain AOR was mostly correct, because by the mid to late 70s there were a lot of bands which had they been around half a decade earlier, would`ve been playing prog as opposed to pomp or AOR, but also genres such as punk, new-wave and NWOBHM etc by the late 70s had become so popular, that the trend for longer and more technical songs had died out. Quite correctly though, Marillion proved there was still a market for traditional prog at least here in the UK where they were very popular. In fact Marillion didn`t really bring anything new to the table and were just content to put out a prog sound that was almost identical to Peter Gabriel era Genesis, but this time they weren`t called prog but Neo-prog rock!

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 08-12-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Nah, Disco had a different demographic; there was already a divide between underground Rock and mainstream Top 40 Pop. If anything Disco claimed those who listen to cheesy Top 40 at the time. Prog wasn't meant to be Top 40, and it appealed to AOR crowd, some people call them Classic Rock elistist - whatever. :/

Think about it - Why would the Popularity of Prog die when there was always niche for it? Prog's popularity segued into Pomp Rock as far as listeners and the new bands that followed the old guard at that time. I wouldn't say "died" I would say "Prog didn't died it's got ignored and slipped into obscurity" imo Marillion and Saga (maybe I will get accused of using popular Prog names for mentioning them but I couldn't think of any other) anyway they were not treated as royalty like Pink Floyd and was it's not because of their popularity for that type of music died. (When I said that about PF I'm talking about how radio airplay and they presented in rock-docs) If I had to point to a cause I would say it was corporate "been there done that" what's new mentality. Generally speaking once a genre piques the public curiosity it peaks corporately and then music business is looking for the next big thing, and for genre all that's left are hardcore fans and cult followings keeping that alive.

Disco's changes weren't just on it's audience, moreso, they were changes which effected the format of music, how it was recorded, distributed, and presented. Proof a larger audience can be procured with less expensive techniques

IE. people don't go to disco concerts they go to disco clubs.

Prog requires excessive production costs, procures a much smaller audience, and is much more difficult to advertise, and distribute. Disco presented the industry with a lot of what the release model is for 'pop' music today. Already being easily accessible, it could be made massively popular by market flooding where more complex music is difficult to fit.

After all, prog very evidently exists in the 80s and 90s and 00s, it's just not as high budget, or emphasized, and that's only in general.

Antonio · 08-12-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

Wait... are you trying to say that you prefer a more conventional approach to songwriting over a less conventional, more experimental approach? Experimentation is used in composition and composition is used in experimentation. They're two almost interchangeable terms really... I mean... in a way, composing music is just experimenting with what sounds best to you when music is arranged a certain way.

yeah, but fuck it.