Unpopular Music Opinions

Neapolitan · 06-25-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ron

ministry's best album is their first

For most bands, their debut album was their best album.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-25-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Most bands' debut album were their best.

Is that your unpopular opinion, or your rebuttal to his?

Neapolitan · 06-25-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Is that your unpopular opinion, or your rebuttal to his?

Neither, just a general observation (supporting) his opinion of Ministry debut album.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-25-2011, 08:16 PM

I think it's more a case of Neapolitan totally missing the point more than anything.

Neapolitan · 06-25-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I think it's more a case of Neapolitan totally missing the point more than anything.

Well, was Caption Ron stating an unpopular opinion or being sarcastic?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-25-2011, 08:25 PM

have you heard Ministry's debut compared to the rest of their material?

Paedantic Basterd · 06-25-2011, 08:25 PM

I'm inclined to disagree that the debut album is typically the best. In the instance of every artist with a substantial discography that I think of, it's not.

Neapolitan · 06-25-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

have you heard Ministry's debut compared to the rest of their material?

1. Well no, not actually.
2. I was agreeing with Caption Ron in theory only, if I'd missed something in what he said like sarcasm then maybe I'd unsuspectingly fell into a well-devised trap.
3. a quote from youtube which seemingly agrees with what Ron said

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Originally Posted by QueenMarisaMM

Ministry slowly lost it after With Sympathy. Great New Wave album, but everything after it slowly went the opposite direction. Twitch had 3 good songs, the rest sounded like a bunch of noise and static. Rape and Honey, not my album and all, and I never cared for the Metal stuff they came out with. Surely this is my opinion on them, no need to freak out over it if you disagree with me.

There is a saying: you have your whole life to write your first album and only six months to write your second album. I see many bands slowly losing it after a great debut album, or they peak with something like their 3rd album then go down hill from there. For example I like U2 "Boy" over "Zooropa" and "Murmur" over "Around the Sun" I'm pretty sure there are a ton of fans out there that would be like "Zooropa">"Boy or "Around the Sun">"Murmur"

Paedantic Basterd · 06-25-2011, 08:48 PM

I think that if you explored RYM's discographies, you would find that the popular opinions also favour my view that the first album has seldom been the best.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-25-2011, 08:52 PM

Or in other cases external factors and/or nativity on a band recording their first album means that they may end up making an album they didn't want to and will disown later on in their careers.

Such as Ministry.

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The music in With Sympathy, and the various singles that Arista issued in association with it, was melodic pop. Jourgensen has always expressed disappointment with Ministry's music during those early years, reportedly referring to With Sympathy as an "abortion of an album." According to him, after signing the record contract, all artistic control of Ministry was "handed" over to other writers and producers

06-25-2011, 08:16 PM	#6384 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I think it's more a case of Neapolitan totally missing the point more than anything. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-25-2011, 08:25 PM	#6386 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	have you heard Ministry's debut compared to the rest of their material? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-25-2011, 08:25 PM	#6387 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I'm inclined to disagree that the debut album is typically the best. In the instance of every artist with a substantial discography that I think of, it's not.

06-25-2011, 08:48 PM	#6389 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I think that if you explored RYM's discographies, you would find that the popular opinions also favour my view that the first album has seldom been the best.