Unpopular Music Opinions

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 05-15-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

The Clash are barely recognised in Florida? I find that hard to believe.

You're just being frustrating. Your viewpoint is a carbon copy of the Rolling Stone view of rock n' roll, I don't want to argue with a magazine I already avoid reading due to it's bias retelling of history.

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

The Clash are nothing more than being a part of the Pioneers of the British punk rock scene, and the unpopular opinion that (The Clash can express more with 3 chords than Yes can with 20.)

Well Hell! They only knew how to play 3 chords.
Progressive rock attempt's to elevate rock music to new levels of artistic credibility. Progressive rock bands pushed "rock's technical and compositional boundaries" by going beyond the standard rock or popular verse-chorus-based song structures (bla, bla).
The Clash and other bands of the same era and genre like the Sex Pistols for instance, are important bands that have contributed to the development of new genres (genealogy). But they are not in any way better or more important than bands categorized in the Progressive rock genre.

This is a damn elegant, unbiased, and encompassing reply. Feel no need to argue beyond it.

Unknown Soldier · 05-15-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

I enjoy some Crimson. Though I find prog-rock to be a pretensious and mostly laughable type of music, they are one of the few I can stand.

You`ve let your argument down by referring to prog as laughable and I think you`ve really got the wrong idea about Yes. Listen to the albums "The Yes Album" and "90125" and you`ll find just how straightforward and poppy some of their music actually is. I would say Yes put out far more accessible material for the average music listener than King Crimson ever could.

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

The Clash is a mindnumbingly dull, outdated, and boring band. I highly doubt 20 years from now they'll be deeply celebrated, because they BARELY are today. The Sex Pistols will, The Ramones will, but the Clash will ****ing remain an obscurity to those who are not self educated rock historians. ****, Even The Misfits will probably connect deeper to future youths than The Clash will, whether you like it or not. Furthermore, with the cheesyness, pretension, and outdatedness of their sound. The Clash are more laughable than 90% of prog will ever be.

What do you actually find laughable about the Clash? We`re talking about a band who were roads ahead of the punk brigade in both talent and musical ideas! The album "London Calling" is a myriad of musical influences and includes a pretty amazing take on traditional American themes and music by what is a very English band. With "Sandinista" they pushed musical boundaries even further.

As you say you are on the other side of the pond, but here the Clash are pretty much held in the same esteem as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, Yes, Rolling Stones etc

BastardofYoung · 05-15-2011, 03:05 PM

I just mean, hell I have been to a few places in the USA and EVERYBODY knows The Clash. I see people wearing their shirts who don't even know punk, every Hot Topic kid knows who they are. Not just punk fans and music historians. I could not go a block without seeing somebody with a shirt or a pin or patch with The Clash on it.

They are probably the most well known band in the style, along with Sex Pistols, Misfits and DK.

BastardofYoung · 05-15-2011, 03:07 PM

@ Soldier. I know of that era of Yes. My step dad played that, and of course "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was played on classic rock radio here...

I had a roommate who was all into that stuff and would play it in vinyl non stop and it just did nothing for me. We agreed on some stuff, but most just did nothing for me.

Unknown Soldier · 05-15-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung

@ Soldier. I know of that era of Yes. My step dad played that, and of course "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was played on classic rock radio here...

I had a roommate who was all into that stuff and would play it in vinyl non stop and it just did nothing for me. We agreed on some stuff, but most just did nothing for me.

That`s fair enough, usually the worst way to ever get into a band is to have someone saying how great they are and just playing their material to you non-stop

TockTockTock · 05-15-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

What do you actually find laughable about the Clash? We`re talking about a band who were roads ahead of the punk brigade in both talent and musical ideas! The album "London Calling" is a myriad of musical influences and includes a pretty amazing take on traditional American themes and music by what is a very English band. With "Sandanista" they pushed musical boundaries even further.

I would normally attribute that statement to the likes of Television or Wire. The Clash are probably one of the best punk bands of that era, but to say they were "roads ahead" of the two bands I mentioned just seems ridiculous. Then again... Television and Wire could be consider post-punk...

Unknown Soldier · 05-15-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

I would normally attribute that statement to the likes of Television or Wire. The Clash are probably one of the best punk bands of that era, but to say they were "roads ahead" of the two bands I mentioned just seems ridiculous. Then again... Television and Wire could be consider post-punk...

I`d consider Television to be new-wave and Wire to be post punk. I`d put both on a similiar level with the Clash, despite the fact that Televison only ever released one good album.

The only other group that actually comes to mind were the Stranglers who I prefer to the Clash, but they didn`t have the variety of the Clash.

TockTockTock · 05-15-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I`d consider Television to be new-wave and Wire to be post punk. I`d put both on a similiar level with the Clash, despite the fact that Televison only ever released one good album.

I actually consider Television's other two studio albums to be pretty decent. They just receive less hype than Marquee Moon. Plus, Television doesn't really have a definite genre label. They range anywhere from punk rock to protopunk to art punk to post-punk to new wave.

Unknown Soldier · 05-15-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

I actually consider Television's other two studio albums to be pretty decent. They just receive less hype than Marquee Moon. Plus, Television doesn't really have a definite genre label. They range anywhere from punk rock to protopunk to art punk to post-punk to new wave.

Punk, post-punk, new-wave, art rock, electronica etc were labels applied to a lot of new bands from around 1976 to 1980 who played that type of music. Around 1976 and 1977 these bands were largely referred to as punk. By 1978 and 1979 a lot of these bands were being labelled new-wave and post-punk etc. Largely because a lot of these bands were incorrectly categorized in the first place and the others quickly evolved out of the simplicity of punk.

SGR · 05-15-2011, 07:02 PM

An unpopular opinion that I have would be that Alice In Chains' 1995 Self titled album was their best. Even better than Dirt.

Oh, and Soundgarden's Down On The Upside is better than Superunknown.

05-15-2011, 03:05 PM	#5733 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	I just mean, hell I have been to a few places in the USA and EVERYBODY knows The Clash. I see people wearing their shirts who don't even know punk, every Hot Topic kid knows who they are. Not just punk fans and music historians. I could not go a block without seeing somebody with a shirt or a pin or patch with The Clash on it. They are probably the most well known band in the style, along with Sex Pistols, Misfits and DK. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-15-2011, 03:07 PM	#5734 (permalink)
BastardofYoung Buzz Killjoy Join Date: May 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 2,692	@ Soldier. I know of that era of Yes. My step dad played that, and of course "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was played on classic rock radio here... I had a roommate who was all into that stuff and would play it in vinyl non stop and it just did nothing for me. We agreed on some stuff, but most just did nothing for me. __________________ last.fm ‎"I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." - Jack Handey.

05-15-2011, 07:02 PM	#5740 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,325	An unpopular opinion that I have would be that Alice In Chains' 1995 Self titled album was their best. Even better than Dirt. Oh, and Soundgarden's Down On The Upside is better than Superunknown.