Unpopular Music Opinions

djchameleon · 03-25-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

KISS are ****, but hey, at least the Ramones have Blitzkreig Bop...?

agreed. Who can get mad or dislike Blitzkreig Bop?

Queen Boo · 03-25-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

agreed. Who can get mad or dislike Blitzkreig Bop?

Eh. That and an entire catalogue of songs that sound exactly like Blitzkreig Bop.

crukster · 03-25-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumor

Today, a wise man said to me
"The Ramones are the worst fucking band ever. The only band worse then the Ramones is KISS. KISS are absolute shit."
and I agreed fully and wholly with all of my heart.

Wtf?? o_o Kiss rock

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Heavy metal, by and large, is the musical manifestation of stunted adolescence and is seldom characterized by anything beyond phony rebellion, juvenile morbidity and masturbatory cacophony.

I agree totally dude. Metal killed Rock.

The term heavy metal actually comes from one specific band, I dunno if it's Dire Straits or Santana or someone, but there was a specific riff that sounded like a motorbike engine, and a lyric "riding my heavy metal" or some ****

The whole scene that emerged from it is an orgy over that one thing. Fair dues, there's some metal mechanics which rock - but there's more to rock than metal, and metal as a stand alone genre sucks.

Queen Boo · 03-25-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crukster

Wtf?? o_o Kiss rock.

Not really. "Lick it Up" is the only KISS song that I'd ever bother with and even then I can't exactly say that I like it.

Dayvan Cowboy · 03-25-2011, 07:42 PM

Toby Driver is modern music's biggest badass, mainly because Kayo Dot, MOTW, Tartar Lamb and his solo projects are so amazingly innovative and different from each other that he's practically reinventing himself on every album.

In terms of pushing their sound forward, Autechre is much better than Aphex Twin's stuff. Autechre have went from cute ambient classics from Amber and Incunabala to all out mind****s like Confeild and Draft 7.30. After LP5, they've never really stayed the same, and on every album they change. Aphex twin disappeared off of the face of the earth six years ago and the last things he's released (analords) all kind of sound similar. they were fun, but not innovative. I think after reinventing himself so drastically on DrukQs, he might not be able to go any farther, and his only option would be to go back to his earlier ambient roots.

s_k · 03-25-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

yeah, I like me some Tool every now and then.

See, metal can be music.
Dream theater, music, Iron Maiden, Music.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 03-25-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

beyond phony rebellion, juvenile morbidity and masturbatory cacophony.[/IMG]

1. Phony rebellion = All of Rock N' Roll. Especially Punk rock, and collegy folk rock. Metal rarely takes itself seriously enough to count.

2. juvenile morbidity is fine. Seeing as the majority of it is to get a reaction for the humor. It's all good. I personally love shock lyrics, and mindless morbidness. I don't feel it's unintelligent. I feel it's far FAR more unintelligent to expect a deep meaningful message out of someone who just happens to be making music. Metal, at least, is not exploitive, or heartessly demographic.

3.Masturbatory Cacophony is quite possible the best trait music can have. It's much nicer than things that are put in clean little boxes, with clean little lyrics.

Every reason you hate metal(apart from the phony rebellion) is exactly why metal stands out as an excellent genre. It's adventurous, non-pretentious, and fun. I would take it a million years over preachy ****s like U2, or strict 'bend over backwards for the right demographic' whores like Lady Gaga in a heartbeat.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-26-2011, 03:58 AM

Dream theater are okay I guess. Take Me As I Am is the only song I'd bother listening to again.

MoonlitSunshine · 03-26-2011, 05:35 AM

A rather apt choice of song title there Vanilla

I'm not gonna repeat myself on the subject of Dream Theater, so I'll just quote my last post...

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Originally Posted by METAShift

Nearly every band ever can be said to have "Some Good Songs". Especially if your music is not very innovative, like Dream Theater's, it's not hard to do so, since most of your stuff is pretty generic. Dream Theater are guilty, to me at least, not for making bad songs(Since their stuff is not that bad, honestly), but for being the superstars of the technical playing, "I can do 10000 notes a minute" crap.

Seriously, Dream Theater are pretty damn bad when it comes to enjoyable and fun music, and REALLY terrible in my book for keeping up that particular fad.

mmm, I would disagree with that. Very little of their music actually involves.. i guess Speed Metal would be the best way to describe it. Of their music that I've heard, which is quite a lot, I couldn't say that I've come across much that would warrant this comment. yes, some of their songs contain some elements of this, but it's hardly the crux of their musical style. If you want to blame someone for that particular fad, I'd recommended stabbing Dragonforce repeatedly. hell, I'll make it easier for you. Have fun!

For an example, let's take one of their better songs (in my opinion).

First off, this made me laugh:

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HakitaSasaki
5 months ago 37 (yes, 37 likes!)

The intro is better than having sex.

Damn, they're some epic fanboys. But let's not judge a band by their followers, ok?

...Please?

Now, I don't expect all of you taking part in this debate to watch it, perhaps you've already heard it, perhaps you really don't give a shit, so I'll just let you know that there isn't a hint of speed metal at any point in this track. Yeah, they go on a bit at the end, which really isn't necessary, Yes it's not ground breaking, but it's a pretty solid piece of music that I enjoy listening to, the lyrics aren't about nothing, and it's, if clichéd, still a pretty decent build-up. Nowhere near enough to say that they're an exceptional band, not anything ground-breaking, but not Trash, surely? Trash for me is something that is so totally bland that there really is no depth or saving grace to the artist's music whatsoever, and this is not that.

What I'm trying to say is that while there are many things that I would love to smack them over the head for (mainly their latest albums), they do have a fair bit of decent music, some that I would quite happily stop whatever I was doing to listen to, and as was mentioned before they originally formed in 1985. So while their music might sound a little generic at times now, they were among the first to experiment in that area (Wikipedia dates the beginning of Progressive Metal as a genre to be mid-1980's), so they can hardly be accused of being un-creative and following the crowd in an attempt to make music to please the masses (until recently, that is, but it's no like they're the only band in history to have sold out, and it's certainly the case that not all bands who have sold out are trash).

So say what you will about your personal opinions on their music, but I believe it is unnecessarily callous of you all to dump them in with the tripe!

P.S: Regarding the "Some Good Songs" comment, you'll note that I said every album has at least a few good songs. While you might consider the difference to be minimal, I still think that consistency of at least semi-decency raises them above the designated rank of simply overrated popularistic trash.

Dayvan Cowboy · 03-26-2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I'm going to catch so much flack for this, but it is a thread for unpopular opinions, so....

Heavy metal, by and large, is the musical manifestation of stunted adolescence and is seldom characterized by anything beyond phony rebellion, juvenile morbidity and masturbatory cacophony.

Yeah, I said it.

I thought I'd add into the debate. Have you ever heard of the previously-mentioned Toby Driver? He's a sometimes-metal musician. Judging by the fact that you are a self-proclaimed jazz snob, you might just like his work.

Only parts of this song are metal. The last six minutes or so are actually floaty ambience and at the end there's a brilliant spoken word part, and the opening line of "And so ten centuries solemnly collide, love failed and I have lost my name" is nothing short of awesome, either.

This song starts off fairly calm, and then it turns into a brutal metal-fest, and then back to calm prettiness again. From what I've heard, metalheads ****ing hate this band. I've argued with many a metalhead who didn't appreciate MOTW's album Bath. Many reasons for the hatred include "they're not metal all of the time" "singer sounds like a fruit" "untalented" and "untrue metal". But of course, hardcore metallica lovin' metalfans are usually dumbasses.

Both bands also have a nice selection of non-metal albums you might enjoy, though. You might like Kayo Dot's Coyote or Maudlin Of The Well's Part The Second. Coyote is scary sounding and claustrophobic (apparently the album is about somebody experiencing death), and Part the second is a mostly melodic butterfly fest of pretty music.

03-26-2011, 03:58 AM	#5268 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	Dream theater are okay I guess. Take Me As I Am is the only song I'd bother listening to again. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

03-25-2011, 07:42 PM	#5265 (permalink)
Dayvan Cowboy Basscadet Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Antarctica Posts: 1,258	Toby Driver is modern music's biggest badass, mainly because Kayo Dot, MOTW, Tartar Lamb and his solo projects are so amazingly innovative and different from each other that he's practically reinventing himself on every album. In terms of pushing their sound forward, Autechre is much better than Aphex Twin's stuff. Autechre have went from cute ambient classics from Amber and Incunabala to all out mind****s like Confeild and Draft 7.30. After LP5, they've never really stayed the same, and on every album they change. Aphex twin disappeared off of the face of the earth six years ago and the last things he's released (analords) all kind of sound similar. they were fun, but not innovative. I think after reinventing himself so drastically on DrukQs, he might not be able to go any farther, and his only option would be to go back to his earlier ambient roots.