djchameleon

I like A7X and you shouldn't be ashamed either. Those guys that play guitar have some wicked solos. I used to think they were brothers. Are they? I still think that they are...they play so well together and intertwine when doing solos

I completely agree even to the point where I normally say that Stillmatic is far superior to Illmatic

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Antonio

City of Evil is an awesome record, and The Rev was a fantastic drummer, may he rest in peace.

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Michael Jackson is, and always was, a downright disgrace to music. He made music an industry, and lowered music lovers' standard of what talent is.

When I was a boy, my good friend liked him and always played Thriller for me, hoping I would share his fanaticism. It was then I realised my friend had a personality disorder.

Michael Jackson only influenced the most deplorable 'artists' after him. Thanks to him we get to watch music videos of maniacal choreography advertising wastrels' (Lady Gaga, et cetera) DNA. All the new pop music performers are advertising their DNA:
'look at me! breed with me! I will make attractive babies. I can ensure that we will always have money to buy stuff.'

Howard the Duck

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djchameleon

I'm pretty sure Elvis did that and he was out years and years before Michael Jackson

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I heart you.

Yes, Elvis was worse. At least Jackson wrote his own songs, and wasn't Colonel Tom Parker's mindless drone.

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starrynight

That's what I always say.

Thriller is a decent album and really made his name. But overall he is no bigger than many others around his time.

Howard the Duck

I love "Thriller" but I love "Off the Wall" more

all other stuff were crap, except the odd Jacksons single (yes I don't even like the Jackson 5 that much)

Anteater

Michael Jackson is certainly overrated, but anyone who says he sucks doesn't have a damn clue what they're talking about. He wrote his own songs, enjoyed trying new things and ideas while his contemporaries remained content doing straight up R&B, and he gave fuck-tons of money to charity despite how late 80's media made him out to be some kind of wackjob through tabloids and the like.

On a personal note, Dangerous is by far his best album: its experimental nature was probably a bit too much for his average fan to handle though, so the world is left parading endless, irritating praise on Off The Wall and Thriller. Good albums for what they are mind you, but their accessible nature has made it so they seem to be the only releases anyone ever mentions anymore, and that's really not fair to the guy.

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Yes, Chameleon, 'monkey see, monkey try to do.' You are right.


As far as I can tell, Elvis, although most likely speciously, implemented a new identity for society. Elvis was a performer; his image is what captivated people, not talent or musicianship. 'His' music encouraged people to like him because he was an icon who could define their personality. Indeed, there is nothing memorably artistic about him. He served as a model for people to emulate because they could not be genuine individuals.

I'm not sure when it started, but at some point business folk discovered that the best way to get rich and famous is to manipulate our innate love for music. They turned the joy of music into a paradigm of social identification. Elvis had to be liked because his managers and songwriters cultivated such a compelling image that defined so many people: a new 'cool'. His fans were too inhibited and neurotic to be real individuals.

When Elvis came along, 'his' music set a role for society to fill, and it disinhibited them; suddenly, it was appropriate to get excited and try to maximise their genetic attractiveness (I.E. if I listen to and present myself the same way as Elvis, I will have an 'acceptable' status in society)

The Elvis Manifesto.

Mike Jackson has done a lot more damage, though. Former beings like Mike are less evolved, meaning they have a more primitive way of interpreting the world, than we shining members of Music Banter.

For them life follows an egotistical impetus, so they (Michael J, Elvis, Rick James, Guns 'n' Roses, many more) don't have the capacity to grasp art, much less express it. Why do so many people praise performers who are only crafty enough to express themselves? Since when does the 'one-size-fits-all-popularity,' and stardom constitute a genius?

I see it as nothing more than genetic advertising. Stardom enables one to surpass certain tenets of natural selection, so if we have the same image and feel the same emotions, we must be able to spread our genes as liberally.

Music is quite capable of reaching deep, fervid feelings within us. Some people call it beautiful. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that many people have lost touch with that notion and have consequently infected aesthetic understanding with 'in-group, out-group' appeal.

Michael Jackson, Elvis, Bon Jovi, Nirvana, et cetera, are inspired by their own reflection, so they necessarily scathe true genius and aesthetic wonder.