Unpopular Music Opinions

Vetiver · 07-29-2022, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SGR

Maybe people just approach and listen to music differently than you. And maybe that's okay? I don't think the people you're talking about have some weird belief that: "If it's not on the radio and it's not popular, then it's obviously not good and I only listen to good music!" - I think what's more likely is that they turn on the top 40 radio, they get to hear some catchy hooks and some polished earworms, and it makes them happy and/or they enjoy it. Isn't that the whole point of music? Indoctrinated? Come on, now.

Besides, most young people use streaming services and Youtube which has democratized how most people listen to and discover new music. They may start with a popular song they like, and the algorithm does the work in recommending them other songs, often times less popular, that they might also enjoy.

I’m afraid you have too much faith in the human race, because I’ve come across plenty of people who adopt whatever’s popular at the time.

As for your final paragraph, that’s a good point but and exploring music has become much easier. However, I was referring more to the period before internet streaming. As for the internet itself, it has its own downsides.

Vetiver · 07-29-2022, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Called out how? Shame for what? What are you even talking about?
I've pointed out an inconsistency in your reasoning and I don't think I've twisted anything in my argument. Ball's in your court.

No, the ball isn't in my court because you haven't even made the effort to explain yourself properly.

Unless you provide some clarification, I stand by what I've said.

SGR · 07-29-2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vetiver

I’m afraid you have too much faith in the human race, because I’ve come across plenty of people who adopt whatever’s popular at the time.

As for your final paragraph, that’s a good point but and exploring music has become much easier. However, I was referring more to the period before internet streaming. As for the internet itself, it has its own downsides.

Too much faith in the human race? I thought we were talking about listening to music, not nuclear weapons.

And if you're referring to the past, then why does it even matter? From this point on, people aren't listening to music in that manner by and large and if you view the current way people listen to music as an improvement, you should be comforted by the fact that it's only going to get better. The internet has its downsides, but I don't think trafficking children on the deep web and unnecessary government surveillance is really relevant to our discussion about music.

The Batlord · 07-29-2022, 11:39 AM

Because if you ignore pre-streaming times it's harder for them to jerk off to their own perceived superiority.

rubber soul · 07-29-2022, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vetiver

I’m afraid you have too much faith in the human race, because I’ve come across plenty of people who adopt whatever’s popular at the time.

So let them, at least when it comes to popular culture anyway.

Vetiver · 07-29-2022, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SGR

Too much faith in the human race? I thought we were talking about listening to music, not nuclear weapons.

And you seriously consider yourself a Manics fan and a lover of punk?! IMO, You give humans too many concessions.

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Originally Posted by SGR

And if you're referring to the past, then why does it even matter? From this point on, people aren't listening to music in that manner by and large and if you view the current way people listen to music as an improvement, you should be comforted by the fact that it's only going to get better. The internet has its downsides, but I don't think trafficking children on the deep web and unnecessary government surveillance is really relevant to our discussion about music.

Radiohead provided context and humans never change, regardless of technological developments.

WTF?! What has children and the government got to do with what we’re discussing? Why did you even bring that up? Seriously dude…

*smh*

I’m referring to human behaviour. Now we have ‘music fans’ hoarding terabytes of music files and not really consuming music in a leisurely or thoughtful manner – it’s all about hoarding and bragging. That's just one example.

It’s a slippery slope that even I’ve been in danger of falling down but, like searching outside of the mainstream charts, I've managed to refrain myself.

Vetiver · 07-29-2022, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

So let them, at least when it comes to popular culture anyway.

Of course but don't act as if the other reality doesn't exist.

SGR · 07-29-2022, 11:56 AM

Yes, I do consider myself a big Manics fan and a lover of punk. I saw them perform the Holy Bible (which happens to be my favorite album) live during the 20th anniversary tour in Boston. I've got a signed LP copy of the Holy Bible (without Richey's signature, of course).

One thing punk music taught me growing up is that authoritarians suck, and as long people aren't hurting others, they should be left to go about their business and that the freedom to do so and to live the way you want (including consuming music how you want) should be celebrated. Part of punk's appeal is that you don't need to be some clasically trained music snob to make great music.

SGR · 07-29-2022, 12:04 PM

I think most people (at least those that get big into music) go through a phase, usually in their teens, of music snobbery and turning their nose up automatically at mainstream stuff. The Youtube commenter "Im 14 and this is my favorite song" types. But people usually grow out of that ridiculous mindset, as I did. Pop music and mainstream stuff can be as great, if not greater than underground stuff no one but the dude who runs the record shop has heard before. Nowadays, I'm just as likely to listen to this...:

as I am to listen to this:

If you enjoy listening to music, you're doing it right. Simple as that.

grindy · 07-29-2022, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vetiver

No, the ball isn't in my court because you haven't even made the effort to explain yourself properly.

Unless you provide some clarification, I stand by what I've said.

I have made a bit of a summary of your position using your words or slightly paraphrasing but juxtaposing aspects that in my opinion are contradictory.
I don't think my initial post was too hard to understand.
You also initially didn't say anything about my point being unclear, you just said I twisted your words.
So which is it? If i twisted your words, which aspects exactly did I misrepresent? If I somehow poorly phrased my statement, please point out what is unclear and I'll try to explain better.

07-29-2022, 11:56 AM	#17798 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	Yes, I do consider myself a big Manics fan and a lover of punk. I saw them perform the Holy Bible (which happens to be my favorite album) live during the 20th anniversary tour in Boston. I've got a signed LP copy of the Holy Bible (without Richey's signature, of course). One thing punk music taught me growing up is that authoritarians suck, and as long people aren't hurting others, they should be left to go about their business and that the freedom to do so and to live the way you want (including consuming music how you want) should be celebrated. Part of punk's appeal is that you don't need to be some clasically trained music snob to make great music.

07-29-2022, 12:04 PM	#17799 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	I think most people (at least those that get big into music) go through a phase, usually in their teens, of music snobbery and turning their nose up automatically at mainstream stuff. The Youtube commenter "Im 14 and this is my favorite song" types. But people usually grow out of that ridiculous mindset, as I did. Pop music and mainstream stuff can be as great, if not greater than underground stuff no one but the dude who runs the record shop has heard before. Nowadays, I'm just as likely to listen to this...: as I am to listen to this: If you enjoy listening to music, you're doing it right. Simple as that.